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By creating and/or enforcing more and more laws against individual liberties. Let's see, there is the Defense of Marriage Act, The War of Drugs, Don't Ask Don't Tell (the abolition of which you all screamed would destroy the military), the attack on Roe v. Wade, the push to teach "creationism" in public schools. I won't even get into the enthusiasm of evangelical types toward our meddling and starting wars in country after country and playing policeman to the entire world. I could go on and on. As a true Libertarian, I believe the "government which governs least, governs best" and not just in the areas that I approve but in every area.
If you haven't noticed this thread is ALL about the moral majority forcing their beliefs on other through laws. Those who want take illegal drugs, take part in prostitution, or gay marriage can't because the other people hold beliefs it is wrong. Hopefully you do realize laws do FORCE certain beliefs on people.
But it is the beleifs of the majority has to the way of life there beleive in. Some people also think sex wit children is prefectly fine ;I perosnally do not.Laws are based o como value which does include evryone obviously even looking at the world.The miority does not have the right to force their belief system o the majority.
But it is the beleifs of the majority has to the way of life there beleive in. Some people also think sex wit children is prefectly fine ;I perosnally do not.Laws are based o como value which does include evryone obviously even looking at the world.The miority does not have the right to force their belief system o the majority.
This is a ridiculous example.
Sex with children is against the law because it hurts another human being.
Same sex marriage does not.
Illegal drugs: I'm not sold on. I've seen smart people end up wandering the streets.
Illegal drugs: I'm not sold on. I've seen smart people end up wandering the streets.
I liken Illegal drugs to alcohol mainly. Drunk people can cause harm to themselves, others including death. But if you remember prohibition of alcohol didn't work at all.
Prostitution is similar to just random hook-up except that one party pays the other. Sex and random hook-up aren't against the law. In fact if convince girl to sleep with by showing of your money that isn't illegal at all. As soon as you directly pay for it, it become illegal. I am mainly talking escorts who are willing taking part and not getting physically hurt.
I agree with you to a large extent, NOTHING should be illegal if it doesn't harm others or prevent them from enjoying our promises of "Life, Liberty & the pursuit of happiness" That said I'll take your examples one at a time.
Agreed. Virtually none of them hurt anybody not useing them & most of the violent crime associated with drugs is a direct result of them being illegal. Weather or not the hurt the user shouldn't matter in a free society.
Part of the arguement about them is the cost to society of people addicted to them but that could be adressed in a number of ways besides making them illegal, especially since obviously people will still use them.
What we ignore is that just as everyone has a right to suceed & prosper in America, you have a right to wash your life down the toilet too. Just as I have no right to the riches of someone more sucessful than I am, I have no responsability for the life of someone who chooses to live in the gutter.
Certainly I will help as I see fit and can afford, but social programs useing tax money to help them just shouldn't be. As long as we use tax money to help drug addicts no real effort will be made to legalize any of the illegal drugs so we will keep infringing on those peoples right to live happily in the gutter.
Agreed again. I can see no reason why it should be illegal to sell your body if others are willing to pay for it. Morality should not dictate what is legal or not because morality is a personal value.
This one I dissagree with. I dont think it should be illegal to be gay or openly practice homosexuality. But, I feel we do ourselves a disservice by not aknowledging that its a sexual disorder. Not a big deal & harmless for the most part. But, letting it gain the same recognition as heterosexuality to the degree that we call such couples "Married" opens doors that certainly harm society as a whole. Even without calling them "married" we already allow them to adopt & raise children, I know it offends some folks to speak the truth but there is no way that is good for those kids.
We allow women, both lesbian & single unmarried heterosexual women, to have buy children thru miracles of modern medicine. Thats wrong in so many ways I'm amazed its legal. Every child has a right to parents. Certainly there are tragic things that can create a single parent household beyond our control. But to take money so you can create a child in a single parent, or single sex situation should be illegal. Our kids are subjected to enough just by virtue of being born in todays world, theres no excuse for intentionally bringing them into this world in less than ideal circumstances just for money.
Agreed 100%. I think if you think of the ramifications of your third example you should recognize that it can & does directly hurt someone else, the most inocent of us. There is nothing preventing homosexuality, but there are very real reasons why "normalizing" it to the point of marriage is harmful to society, not because it demeans hetero marriage but because the participants in a homosexual relationship cannot carry out the responsabilities of a marriage without hurting others (children)
I think if it were made illlegal for them to adopt or have kids thru artificial insemination I'd have less issue with them being married.
OY VEY...PLEASE stop posting misinformation! Being gay is simply another facet of human sexuality....NOT a mental disorder. PROVIDE links before posting misinformation!
I liken Illegal drugs to alcohol mainly. Drunk people can cause harm to themselves, others including death. But if you remember prohibition of alcohol didn't work at all.
Prostitution is similar to just random hook-up except that one party pays the other. Sex and random hook-up aren't against the law. In fact if convince girl to sleep with by showing of your money that isn't illegal at all. As soon as you directly pay for it, it become illegal. I am mainly talking escorts who are willing taking part and not getting physically hurt.
I understand what you're saying... I'm just not sure that some illegal drugs should be made legal.
OY VEY...PLEASE stop posting misinformation! Being gay is simply another facet of human sexuality....NOT a mental disorder. PROVIDE links before posting misinformation!
Yeah sure, and 20 years from now those groups might flop again. Not so long ago it was considered a mental illness. I dont need a study to inform me that same sex coupling isn't normal, if somethings not normal its abnormal. Its not harmful in most cases but its certainly a disorder. Get over it & move forward. The first step is always admitting the truth. Without that no progress can be made. The biggest single reason its gained acceptance is the medical & psychiatric world has become PC like the rest of us, or most of us. Sadly refusing to admit the truth of such things does no one, even those afflicted with the disorders any good. Trying to force the normalization of sexual deviancy upon everyone fuels the hatred that many have for homosexuality. It is what it is & its a form of sexual deviancy. Nothing more & nothing less.
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Sex with children is against the law because it hurts another human being.
Same sex marriage does not.
Sure it does, it hurts those same kids by corrupting their common sense & societal values.
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Illegal drugs: I'm not sold on. I've seen smart people end up wandering the streets.
So what? Many things cause people to end up on the streets. People choose to take drugs just like they choose to have sex with others of the same sex.
Homosexuality has hastened the spread of aids in this country & bisexuality has brought it to the heterosexual community. I'd rather be a drug addict on the street than end up with a deadly disease, but you might feel differently & are free to have gay sex or take all the drugs you want.
Freedom means just that & you cant pick & choose what is ok based on your personal values, or lack of values & say that you believe in freedom & equality.
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The biggest single reason its gained acceptance is the medical & psychiatric world has become PC like the rest of us, or most of us. Sadly refusing to admit the truth of such things does no one, even those afflicted with the disorders any good. Trying to force the normalization of sexual deviancy upon everyone fuels the hatred that many have for homosexuality. It is what it is & its a form of sexual deviancy. Nothing more & nothing less.
