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I'm not blaming the victim though...sexual harassment can happen to anyone, but what I'm asking is if more conservative clothing makes a difference in how much attention is given, and if the solution to avoiding unwanted attention is to wear more conservative clothes.
Let's step away from sexual harassment and try this from another angle. Say I'm a promiscuous dude looking for some female company later. I look to my left and see a woman wearing a tight low-cut cleavage shirt and semi-transparent leggings with a thong. I look to my right and see a woman wearing a business suit. Which one do you think I'd go after?
You absolutely ARE blaming the victim simply by asking
"Should a woman wear more conservative clothing".
She has to change the way she dresses because some men cannot control their actions?
So yes, you ARE blaming the victim.
PS ~~ AS far as your "example" goes, I really don't care which you go after but keep in mind that YOU are the one making their clothing the issue not me.
You absolutely ARE blaming the victim simply by asking
"Should a woman wear more conservative clothing".
She has to change the way she dresses because some men cannot control their actions?
So yes, you ARE blaming the victim.
PS ~~ AS far as your "example" goes, I really don't care which you go after but keep in mind that YOU are the one making their clothing the issue not me.
Some people can not see others points of view. Being offended and wanting to change what vast swaths of people choose to wear is very egocentric. There is nothing that can be written here that will change their minds.
They don't like something, so everyone should conform to their ideals.
I do not think it is about a woman asking for it by wearing provocative clothing. I think the man likes what he sees and is hoping to get her attention by talking to her and maybe he is thinking that the provocative clothing shows she is focused on her sexuality or is interested in attracting a man and therefore he hopes to have a chance with her for that reason. Just like a woman in a business suit is assumed to be focused on her job and career or a woman in a jogging suit is focused on exercising.
Haven't you ever heard the phrase " dress for success" ? Dress like you are professional at work and be taken more seriously? It works.
What you wear to a party is not what you wear to the office and is not what you wear to the beach . Clothing says a lot about what you are focused on and your personality.
I disagree with the ladies who are saying they should be able to wear whatever they please, flaunt as much as they want. First of all, i think we're talking about the over-the-top stuff. A nice outfit with a little sass is one thing, a skirt up to nearly the crotch, a low cut top showing everything you have--that's skanky, it's not pretty, it's not elegant, it's not feminine. It's plain and simply skanky. And to say that...oh...no comments or looks, guys! that's ridiculous and naive. Either you are seriously naive or you just don't care. And if you just don't care, then you don't have any self respect. And don't counter with women who wear coats and sweaters get harassed too. You all know that wearing a skirt cut up to nearly your crotch and the low cut top showing your ta-tas is an invitation. Why else would you need to dress that way, if not to draw to attention from men?
The reason why women are still not respected by men is exactly the behavior and dress of the women today. It's not going to bring you any respect to dress like you don't respect yourself. How about rising above the urge to reproduce and get some dignity and self respect?
Say I'm a promiscuous dude looking for some female company later. I look to my left and see a woman wearing a tight low-cut cleavage shirt and semi-transparent leggings with a thong. I look to my right and see a woman wearing a business suit. Which one do you think I'd go after?
Personally, I think a woman in a business suit is quite hot. It projects power and confidence and intelligence. Beauty fades, but stupid lasts forever.
low-cut cleavage shirt, leggings, thongs all reek of desperation--not that there's necessarily anything wrong with that.
Also, the honking, yelling "hey babe", "you're beautiful, you should smile". . . . honestly, has any woman ever heard these things and stopped, thinking "hey, that's the guy for me!" ? It doesn't work. Stop it. It's harassment.
I disagree with the ladies who are saying they should be able to wear whatever they please, flaunt as much as they want. First of all, i think we're talking about the over-the-top stuff. A nice outfit with a little sass is one thing, a skirt up to nearly the crotch, a low cut top showing everything you have--that's skanky, it's not pretty, it's not elegant, it's not feminine. It's plain and simply skanky. And to say that...oh...no comments or looks, guys! that's ridiculous and naive. Either you are seriously naive or you just don't care. And if you just don't care, then you don't have any self respect. And don't counter with women who wear coats and sweaters get harassed too. You all know that wearing a skirt cut up to nearly your crotch and the low cut top showing your ta-tas is an invitation. Why else would you need to dress that way, if not to draw to attention from men?
The reason why women are still not respected by men is exactly the behavior and dress of the women today. It's not going to bring you any respect to dress like you don't respect yourself. How about rising above the urge to reproduce and get some dignity and self respect?
We are not saying that men can't look or comment on a woman in a revealing outfit, but they do not get to determine how the woman responds. They also can't cross that line and harass her physically or verbally.
Maybe she likes to look like a hooker. Maybe her husband/bf likes her to look like a hooker. It's her prerogative. Heck, maybe she is a hooker. That still doesn't mean you get to harass her verbally or physically. She is still a human being, even if you don't agree with her choices.
Saying..."hey baby "is different than "show me your ****". I don't think any woman has an issue with a look or mild comment, but if she does that is her right.
The reason why some men don't respect women is not due to how they dress. They don't respect women, because they are women. A long dress or burka doesn't change how men view women. Clothes are just clothes.
Thankfully most men are great guys who respect women. It's too bad they are the silent majority though.
Yes, women should dress more conservatively. I'm so annoyed when I see a female's cleavage because I instantly say to myself, "Who is she trying to impress?"
And we as women can no longer say, "I have big breasts, I can't cover them up," because that's a lie and you know it.
ETA: Dressing conservatively (in my opinion) doesn't mean to wear a burka or dress like the Duggar family, to me means:
No cleavage
Nothing shorter than mid-thigh
Nothing shorter than mid-thigh
If you're going to show your back, don't show too much (more than 50%)
Nothing tight
When you bend down, your underwear or butt crack shouldn't show.
No bikinis (you wouldn't walk around in your underwear, would you?)
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Plenty of women get unwanted attention or vulgar comments wearing winter coats and jeans and sweaters. The guys making these comments are the ones with the problem, not the women.
Thank you! I'm always shocked when guys make unnecessary comments when I'm dressed conservatively.
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I don't know. a woman should be able to wear what she wants without fear of harrassement but some guys just can't help it. I'm not talking about a verbal harrassement which can be helped but gawking or just looking can make a woman feel uncomfortable.
Of course this goes both ways too. Men can be made to feel uncomfortable in a situation where a woman wears something revealing.
Case in point: The other day at the deli there was a very pretty very fit 20 something young woman wearing those tight yoga pants that showed off every curve of her yummy figure. I couldn't help but sneek peeks at her but I don't like to make anyone feel uncomfortable so staring is not allowed. It was the middle of the day so there were several old dudes waiting for their number to be called and I could tell they were rather uncomfortable in her presence. They all wanted to admire her beauty but didn't want to stare.
It wasn't her fault at all but guys can't help but admire a nice figure and when the woman chooses to wear tight clothes ot show it off ?? What is a poor guy to do but sneak a peek?
I know someone is going to jump down my throat about this, but I don't get it. I'm all about people having the choice to wear whatever they want, but I don't understand the logic behind the anger when women are "verbally harassed".
Don't get me wrong; I don't condone men saying making totally inappropriate sexual comments. But if a woman is wearing form-fitting clothes, shouldn't she expect guys trying to get her attention? Is "hey baby" and "what's up girl" really that bad? I assume the solution to avoiding unwanted attention is to wear more conservative clothing, am I wrong?
Yes, because I used to get harassed even when I wasn't even adult yet by simply wearing regular clothing and walking around the neighborhood. I would be wearing REGULAR shorts (not short shorts) or jeans and a t-shirt and guys would honk, harass me, follow me and try to "entice" me into their cars. Really disgusting behavior and if you think I was encouraging that then you are definitely the one with the problem.
BTW-If a guy simply says hi or hey beautiful and keeps on their merry way, I have no problem with that.
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Originally Posted by daisy2010
I disagree with the ladies who are saying they should be able to wear whatever they please, flaunt as much as they want. First of all, i think we're talking about the over-the-top stuff. A nice outfit with a little sass is one thing, a skirt up to nearly the crotch, a low cut top showing everything you have--that's skanky, it's not pretty, it's not elegant, it's not feminine. It's plain and simply skanky. And to say that...oh...no comments or looks, guys! that's ridiculous and naive. Either you are seriously naive or you just don't care. And if you just don't care, then you don't have any self respect. And don't counter with women who wear coats and sweaters get harassed too. You all know that wearing a skirt cut up to nearly your crotch and the low cut top showing your ta-tas is an invitation. Why else would you need to dress that way, if not to draw to attention from men?
The reason why women are still not respected by men is exactly the behavior and dress of the women today. It's not going to bring you any respect to dress like you don't respect yourself. How about rising above the urge to reproduce and get some dignity and self respect?
Really? Man, if you actually believe the bolded part I truly feel sorry for you. That's the only reason and accounts for all women, even the large majority that don't "dress that way?" Okay then.
I don't know. a woman should be able to wear what she wants without fear of harrassement but some guys just can't help it. I'm not talking about a verbal harrassement which can be helped but gawking or just looking can make a woman feel uncomfortable.
Of course this goes both ways too. Men can be made to feel uncomfortable in a situation where a woman wears something revealing.
Case in point: The other day at the deli there was a very pretty very fit 20 something young woman wearing those tight yoga pants that showed off every curve of her yummy figure. I couldn't help but sneek peeks at her but I don't like to make anyone feel uncomfortable so staring is not allowed. It was the middle of the day so there were several old dudes waiting for their number to be called and I could tell they were rather uncomfortable in her presence. They all wanted to admire her beauty but didn't want to stare.
It wasn't her fault at all but guys can't help but admire a nice figure and when the woman chooses to wear tight clothes ot show it off ?? What is a poor guy to do but sneak a peek?
That's totally fine. Men are visual and they are going to look. When I wear my yoga stuff, I wear it because I am going to work out or have just finished. If somebody looks that's fine. Don't even give that a second thought.
If all women covered themselves from head to toe, some men would still take it too far and harass them. It's not about the dress, it's about their attitude towards women. That's the underlying issue. If you have a respectful attitude toward women, I am 100% positive you aren't offending them.
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