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Ignorance is more dangerous than cannabis.
Anyone with an open mind should be able to read the studies, follow the science and realize that there are far more dangerous things already legal, and available.
Cannabis and humans have grown up together, and society hasn't failed, and where it might be failing certainly isn't because of cannabis.
Correct. Ending prohibition of this wonderful plant will not cause the sky to fall. Life will go on, and cannabis finally being legal again will absolutely not cause the downfall of civilization.
My husband and I are medical marijuana patients. None of you would have any idea if you met us on the street that we smoke pretty much the entire time we are awake. We're senior citizens, active, still working, and it's helped us both tremendously. Better sleep, better appetite, less anxiety, less pain. And it's fun! The only negative side effect is some short term memory loss, but I had that anyway from PTSD.
If you knew the number of "normal" people who smoke pot, you wouldn't believe it. Probably some of the guys around your private lake in Lake Oswego are smoking, vaping or eating it, Grandview Gloria, in beautiful Lake Oswego. It's one of the last things people are in the closet about (along with atheism) precisely because of the outrageous and misinformed views in this thread.
I felt the need to respond to your post because I was wondering the same thing myself. After the report of the killing of cancer cells came out, I started thinking about all the friends I've lost over the last 4 decades (I am currently 58 and have been using cannabis for 44 years).
I could not think of any friend who is a long-term regular cannabis user who has contracted cancer. All of them are still alive and healthy (including your truly). I have lost several friends to cancer, but none were regular users. The one friend who was a regular user that I have lost died of a heart attack at 49 years old. But he was 400+ pounds, and had been very obese since early childhood.
I talked to another friend about it, and he also could not think of any of his regular cannabis user friends who developed cancer either.
It is all speculation at this point, of course. But it really should put some fear in the prohibitionists who like to use the alleged increased risk of lung cancer as part of their propaganda. There are so many of us long-term users that if significant health problems were going to surface, then we should be seeing signs of it by now.
I actually ADVISE my tobacco smoking friends to take up weed for the protective effect.
Many years ago I was diagnosed with precancerous changes on my lip. I had skin cancer already started at age 24. The specialist told me it would be a small operation, cutting my mouth open to make a new lip to replace the cancerous one.
That was 26 years ago. Still no cancer, in fact if anything the precancer has faded entirely. I cant even see it anymore.
I smoke weed daily, and have done most of my life - but not when the precancer formed (I was pregnant and quit).
MJ is not harmless......just ask those that indulged early and then later died after using harder drugs. You have to crawl before walking....just look at the celebrities that have died early in life and those who are bound to follow.
But that's like saying someone killed in a car crash asked for it by learning to crawl.
Instead of hysterical misunderstandings like GateWay Theory (the REAL gateway drug is nicotine) how about asking your local ER?
There has not been one death attributed to MJ, ever, in any country across the world, in any ER, no ones death certificate says "died from weed" but there are millions stamped "died by nicotine/ethanol" DAILY.
The real reason weed is illegal? No one could figure out how to tax it.
I work in the field of substance use disorders. Mj is known to reduce iq in regular youth users by up to 10%. It increases some cancer risks. It is a gateway drug (as are alc. And tobacco). Smoking it is very bad for the lungs. While not physically addicting, some users do develop a psychological addiction.
I believe it should be legalized, regulated, taxed, and treated as a public health issue. Just like tobacco and alcohol.
Reduce IQ in users up to 10%?
Bunk. I think half of the college of MIT and Harvard along with the valvictorian and salutatorian at our high school would strongly disagree with that. And gain, there is the correlation vs causation vs prod Roman schizophrenia problems.
Personally, my SAT and GRE verbal scores nearly doubled but my math scores did plummet. My theory on that is that all of those formulas were crammed into short term memory and I lost them. That was a bummer.
As for "gateway drug?" BS. Caffeine is technically the "gateway drugs" if you need one but it might as well be sugar.
I've also worked with many addicts. Psychological dependency is true but a lot of people have this to other thinks that aren't chemicals. TV, porn, Facebook and the Internet in general come to mind.
Give it to Monsanto... con Agra..ADM..smith glaxo... phizer..
And the same proponents will be railing against it.
I say
10 year fda study
Give to legit mmj patients... not anyone who whines
Outlaw non compliant grows for all the right reasons..crime.. destruction of the environment ... damage to the community
Estaiblish community based ordinances controlling it
Figure out addiction and treatment programs ...and how these are going to be funded by drug profits
Support drug testing by employers for drug free employees .. people who use mj are more injury prone..use more sick time.. are less productive.. and create more internal thefts than those who do not use ( please research this if you don't believe it)
Consider testing standards for welfare and benefits use... since mj use does reduce drive.
Solidify roadside testing that has withstood challenges .. including 5ngm or less limit of intoxication while driving
Treat it like a drug..use current vetted systems for dispension.. not collectives or storefronts.. but pharmacies..
Build common sense laws.. no public consumption.. no providing to minors.. etc.. that do have teeth...
Seriously consider all the bs we are going through for another harmful intoxicant in our world and how it diminishes the human spirit and how it alters the human psyche
We don't jail people for mj anymore folks unless they have other issues .. are possessing for illegal sale or manufacturing...
I also heartily suggest a non biased documentary on communities that have been substantially affected by it... so that unaffected or uncaring Americans might see....is this how I want my community to be... some will... but if what has happened in liberal California is the bellweather... many wont
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I hear all the time that its not bad for you and you cant get any diseases or anything. But i want to hear any negative input on the subject. Or positive
In my youth, I had my share of experiences with it. From my own unbiased viewpoint, I don't think it's moderate use causes any lasting damage or long term negative side effects. However, every "wake 'n' bake" stoner I ever knew grew increasingly antisocial, suffered from paranoia and heightened anxiety, and did not possess even an ounce of ambition whatsoever. They also tended to think in terms of 'stoner logic' rather than reality which made them appear to have a much lower IQ than the average (aka the classic "burnout"). They also turned into some of the most boring and annoying people in my then circle of friends. Once I grew out of smoking up, I quickly found I had next to nothing in common with them and lost touch with them over time.
Give it to Monsanto... con Agra..ADM..smith glaxo... phizer..
And the same proponents will be railing against it.
I say
10 year fda study
Give to legit mmj patients... not anyone who whines
Outlaw non compliant grows for all the right reasons..crime.. destruction of the environment ... damage to the community
Estaiblish community based ordinances controlling it
Figure out addiction and treatment programs ...and how these are going to be funded by drug profits
Support drug testing by employers for drug free employees .. people who use mj are more injury prone..use more sick time.. are less productive.. and create more internal thefts than those who do not use ( please research this if you don't believe it)
Consider testing standards for welfare and benefits use... since mj use does reduce drive.
Solidify roadside testing that has withstood challenges .. including 5ngm or less limit of intoxication while driving
Treat it like a drug..use current vetted systems for dispension.. not collectives or storefronts.. but pharmacies..
Build common sense laws.. no public consumption.. no providing to minors.. etc.. that do have teeth...
Seriously consider all the bs we are going through for another harmful intoxicant in our world and how it diminishes the human spirit and how it alters the human psyche
We don't jail people for mj anymore folks unless they have other issues .. are possessing for illegal sale or manufacturing...
I also heartily suggest a non biased documentary on communities that have been substantially affected by it... so that unaffected or uncaring Americans might see....is this how I want my community to be... some will... but if what has happened in liberal California is the bellweather... many wont
10 year FDA study? Seriously?
The cannabis consumption of this country is not small by any means. Stop pretending, open your eyes. If there is something tried and true its cannabis. Field study has been done..........by hundreds of thousands functioning adults.... Has to be, just look at the copious quantities confiscated!!! Now think...How much is not confiscated!!!!
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Not harmless, you mean there is associated risk?
There are risks for mountain biking, owning a handgun, skateboarding, camping, football, jumping on a trampoline, riding a motorcycle, and daily driving.
Should we ban those too? Who decides what we should ban? Should someone decide whats good for you or should you DECIDE FOR YOURSELF?
There are risks for mountain biking, owning a handgun, skateboarding, camping, football, jumping on a trampoline, riding a motorcycle, and daily driving.
Should we ban those too? Who decides what we should ban? Should someone decide whats good for you or should you DECIDE FOR YOURSELF?
Leave taking care of me to me!
If only it were that easy. I totally agree with you, as well as your reference to other activities that carry risks, but sadly there are too many control freaks and wanna be tyrants in our society. I'm in the camp of deciding for myself as to what is or isn't good for me! I am a supporter of maximum individual liberties and freedoms, and do not believe those should be compromised so long as one's actions do not cause harm to others in the process. In other words you don't have to like it, but you should have no right to tell me that I can't smoke a joint in the privacy of my own home, just because you don't like it!
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