Why Do People View Porn Stars/Strippers Negatively?

[USMC1984]

Originally Posted by ColoGuy

They are mostly young guys. I remember trying to get some co-workers to go to the local club while on a business trip. They explained they didn't like to do that anymore since they were in their 40s and no longer enjoyed it.

When I drove a cab in Las Vegas the rides to/from the strip clubs were almost exclusively very young men. Brits and Aussies topping the list. The amount of money they'd brag about spending was ungodly! $800, was usually the lowest out of the groups of four or five...12-1,500 being close to the top. I always joked with them that for what they spent I could've gotten them laid many times over!

[Sonic_Spork]

Originally Posted by CamillaB

This entire thing promotes the idea that women are ornaments to be viewed and their value and purpose is to arouse males (do males really have any trouble being aroused, REALLY? A pork chop can arouse a man). Their bodies are picked apart and every little piece is rated and judged. This one's too big that one's too small etc and so on. We WANT this kind of thing for female people in society?

All of the participants and viewers are complicit in propagating this thinking which then turns into women in general being treated like garbage like in porn. Don't tell me porn is about sex. It's all about violence, hate and power. Women are called dozens of denigrating things and actually abused and harmed -- but hey the god almighty male part has to enslave the world including the male it's attached to because it has hijacked his brain and rules him. He has no control or logic whatsoever.

Also when males view this stuff and participate in it they learn to have less respect for women as people and take that back to women in their actual real lives. They pressure women to perform like what they have seen in porn and judge all women and all sex acts by what they see in porn. They think ALL women like to be abused because abuse is so rampant in porn. I mean seriously if you're using your brain does it make any actual SENSE to want someone's rancid ejaculate on your face or in your mouth? Would YOU want to eat snot? Would you think being choked and slapped is somehow awesome and super sexy if you didn't have your brain destroyed by porn?

Classical conditioning and we are creating sexual sadists.

I'm really sorry that you have had whatever experiences that built this worldview. I've been around men that made me feel this way. While I no longer agree with these sentiments, I know on a deep and emotional level, how it feels to say them.

There are people in the world who are really negatively conditioned about sex. Men who are pretty much exactly what you're describing. And there are people, and men, who are far more sexually and mentally and emotionally healthy. The reason I am replying to you, is that I want to let you know that you can find people who really do not deal in shame and nastiness of the kind you describe here, in exactly the last places you would think.

See, the mindset you're talking about comes from the repressed men who are full of shame programming.

But the men who are actually doing some of the more shocking things in porn, believe it or not, a lot of them are actually incredibly respectful to women. And many of the women in porn are really enjoying activities you would think that no one could possibly enjoy. I know this as fact, because of my involvement in BDSM and kink, I've been to conventions and met a number of these people. They are not broken, damaged, sleazy, the men aren't power obsessed. Everything is with tremendous respect for consent and what individuals truly want. The basic fact is that these folks have come to an understanding that what sexually excites people is often taboo. It often doesn't align with what our decent and logical minds consider to be "proper." And a whole lot of consenting, happy, sexual adults, have put a lot of effort into thinking out ways to play with these stimulating ideas in ways that SIMULATE taboo, without crossing ethical lines.

But we who have embraced our sexual selves, understand that it is PLAY and context matters. So the guy you see doing those things in porn, might, ten minutes later, shake the woman's hand and have an intellectual conversation and hear and respect her thoughts. He probably respects her a whole lot more than you think. It's the people who are not in on it, the guys who are shamefully sitting at home behind a locked door, furtively engaging in fantasies they'd never admit to anyone in their alone time...they assume that what they are seeing on the screen is real. That the woman is truly degraded or "broken" or "destroyed" or whatever. When it's not only possible she's doing what turns her on, it's more possible she's doing things she really doesn't mind or hate doing, and making money for it.

My only issue with strippers or porn, is that I believe that the only people who should be doing that, are people who WANT to be doing that. But then, I suppose, if the same measure applied to every profession, who would collect the semen of farm animals and who would repair the sewers and who would pick up the garbage and all the other "dirty" jobs in the world that most of us would not want? I would much prefer to be having sex for money, did I think I were beautiful or graceful enough to pull that off, than a lot of other options that exist (that are legal.)

Personally I think that it's simply the idea that women (mostly) might profit from sex that is so upsetting to our society. Men seem to want women to be sexual but also want to be able to punish us for it.

[msgsing]

Nowadays almost all porn performers make most of their money from escorting. A typical paycheck for a female performer per shoot is only about 1,000 less taxes, agent fees and bi weekly STD tests required by law. In the final analysis these women have freedom of choice to do what they want but once their looks are gone their financial future with no other job skills is pretty grim.

[Sonic_Spork]

Originally Posted by msgsing

Nowadays almost all porn performers make most of their money from escorting. A typical paycheck for a female performer per shoot is only about 1,000 less taxes, agent fees and bi weekly STD tests required by law. In the final analysis these women have freedom of choice to do what they want but once their looks are gone their financial future with no other job skills is pretty grim.

I've known some who developed additional skillsets that work well with the porn thing. Like I've known a few who have written books, who have gotten the education to become sex therapists and/or sex educators, who travel and get paid to teach classes at conventions, to do talks and autograph sessions, all sorts of things. Hell I know one who is also a pretty incredible artist and has sold quite a lot of work.

But as I said, this is only a few people that I've had cause to meet because they were at a convention or something. I know it's not most of them.

I also know that the porn industry is kind of in trouble as far as profit margins are concerned, because nowadays there is such an abundance of free material available, most people don't want to pay for the product anymore.

On the other hand, I've heard that even a halfway decent stripper at even a halfway decent club can rake in the bucks like nobody's business. I'll be honest, I envy these ladies their skills as far as like dancing in heels and all that, I'm way too clumsy to even think about it. I mean the collateral damage would be pretty spectacular. Somebody would get a stiletto heel in the eye or something.

[g500]

No idea why porn stars and strippers are sometimes viewed negatively. Pornography is a positive to society. Obviously there should always be legal limits (never any minors, animals, corpses, etc. - disgusting to even mention any of those).

I don't know if I necessarily think prostitution is a good idea of not, mostly because it might spread disease, maybe idk. But pornography and stripping is not hurting anyone as long as it is safe and regulated. Why should we demonize natural human sexuality?

[Sonic_Spork]

Originally Posted by g500

No idea why porn stars and strippers are sometimes viewed negatively. Pornography is a positive to society. Obviously there should always be legal limits (never any minors, animals, corpses, etc. - disgusting to even mention any of those).

I don't know if I necessarily think prostitution is a good idea of not, mostly because it might spread disease, maybe idk. But pornography and stripping is not hurting anyone as long as it is safe and regulated. Why should we demonize natural human sexuality?

I don't think that it spreads disease any more than normal human sexual behavior, including your "players" and your serial monogamists and so on. I don't think it's reasonable to expect people in general, to select one partner, and only one partner, for a lifetime of exclusive sex. So what we've got to try and deal with STIs is modern medicine, which is only effective if it's used. In a legal and regulated sex work industry, you've got workers getting frequent testing, rules about protection, and so on. Rather than normal folks who find somebody online or at a bar and go home with them, often rolling the sexual health dice without so much as a conversation about it. Whether they are hooking up with a stranger, or having sex with someone they've been dating a while...if they aren't doing the talking, testing, and protection, as many are not, they are taking chances.

Watch one of the videos or documentaries where they interview women who work in the legal Nevada brothels. Those women get tested all the time. And they are not shy or ashamed to talk frankly about sexual health.

It's probably a hell of a lot safer to visit a prostitute in a legal brothel there, than it is to meet a nice lady, date her for a month or two, and then have sex...like most folks are doing. And it might cost you less, too, at least if all you're after is a good time.

The reality of STI news in today's world is a good news/bad news situation. They are getting closer than ever, to curing HIV, and it's no longer the death sentence it once was, unless you cannot afford the treatments. There's a vaccine for HPV. Most things are either curable, or not that big a deal to live with. The bad news is that some of the other microbial villains in this little war, are evolving to resist the antibiotics we've been able to use in the past to defeat them. It's an arms war just like many played out in nature, and modern medicine is scrambling to catch up.