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So I can call you a w&nker then? It's true right? You're a guy who masturbates so..... hello w&nker
the connotation is as irrelevant as the label itself, as the true meaning is the same
Wrong. The study of linguistics proves that you're wrong, proves that few words have a single 'true' meaning and all those examples are relative, as in, you need additional information to qualify them. There are seven types of meaning for words. Go look it up. Oh, and while you're at it, why don't you find out what the criteria for promiscuity is. You said that the word sl*t has a true meaning so that means you'd have to be able to quantify promiscuity.
Sorry you wrong, a sl*t is a label and the person labeling someone knows exactly what they mean. What it means to you may be very different. But when you label someone you know exactly what you mean. It really amounts to evaluation shorthand and it generally serves the person labeling well though it may do a disservice to or an out and out injustice to the person so labeled.
- Let he who is without sin caste the first stone.
...Then a lady dressed in blue pushed her way through the crowd and bashed the woman in the head with a large rock and Jesus said "dammit mom, sometimes you really tick me off"! : )
Sorry you wrong, a sl*t is a label and the person labeling someone knows exactly what they mean. What it means to you may be very different. But when you label someone you know exactly what you mean. It really amounts to evaluation shorthand and it generally serves the person labeling well though it may do a disservice to or an out and out injustice to the person so labeled.
You previously stated that "the connotation is as irrelevant as the label itself, as the true meaning is the same". Now you're admitting they can have two and that the use of labels can do a disservice or be an injustice to the recipient....
It really amounts to evaluation shorthand Yes, I believe I pointed that out and you said it didn't.
Sorry you wrong I'm pretty sure you just proved I'm right.
...Then a lady dressed in blue pushed her way through the crowd and bashed the woman in the head with a large rock and Jesus said "dammit mom, sometimes you really tick me off"! : )
That's the question you come up with to my expansive answer?? (with questions you apparently can't answer or don't want to address)....after your long winded other responses in this thread?
Now who's being naive??? LOL. Ever hear the saying "Sex sells"???....and it's used in everything from selling "normal" magazines (like the SI Swimsuit issue....or maybe I guess that's just for women to check the new styles or men to appreciate the new offerings in skimpy swimwear? LMAO....oh...and don't neglect to consider that recently they've started putting "body painted" models imitating bikinis but on nude bodies), to magazines like Maxim, FHM, etc., men's colognes, alcohol and on and on. Make no mistake...the intent is fully to use sex as an enticer/arouser to engender interest, make money, etc...and that's NO different from a stripper using her "image" or dancing sexy to entice and gain interest, and looking to capitalize financially by it.
^ This would be fine if it was as simple as the pictures you are describing BUT usually "stripping" entails more than just dancing sexy or her image only being used for interest by the individuals that are viewing them. It never is just dancing - might start that way but never ends that way. Plus when you have your picture taken it is only in front of a select few not the strangers that come into strip club daily to see you do your thing.
I want to take this back to the original question of why are they looked down upon by society? I consider myself to be a fairly attractive "normal" woman that grew up in the "good girl" mind set and so at first that had a major effect on my making personal decisions BUT as I matured I watched girls that I knew as well as girls that my son has gone to school with make the choice to get involved in this type of work. Not one of them changed their life for the better - after a year not one looked happy and full of life instead their eyes looked tired and blank. It was like their former self was gone and literally sucked out of them.
So I was left with wondering why would a person make this choice? With all the information available today they know the risk involved and I feel like I judge them for making a bad decision willingly. Whether it is out of greed or ignorance I still do not want to endorse this type of choice by acting like it is okay. They are not sexual saviors or walking a path to women being on the same playing field as men with promiscuity - instead they keep women down and thought of as just a way for men to satisfy their sexual desire.
As I said before demeaning yourself for any amount of money is like selling your soul to the devil or just plain selling yourself- I like to think more of myself and wish they did too so as not to do this type of work.
It to me is like the carnival that came with the deformed people and people would come pay to get some sick thrill from viewing them - just not good for them or the viewers to participate. On a humane level. If this is so great well then why get married or have relationships? We can all go somewhere and do whatever it takes to make the dollar - just think of how our society would look from that view point and tell me that this should not be frowned upon.
^ This would be fine if it was as simple as the pictures you are describing BUT usually "stripping" entails more than just dancing sexy or her image only being used for interest by the individuals that are viewing them. It never is just dancing - might start that way but never ends that way. Plus when you have your picture taken it is only in front of a select few not the strangers that come into strip club daily to see you do your thing.
I want to take this back to the original question of why are they looked down upon by society? I consider myself to be a fairly attractive "normal" woman that grew up in the "good girl" mind set and so at first that had a major effect on my making personal decisions BUT as I matured I watched girls that I knew as well as girls that my son has gone to school with make the choice to get involved in this type of work. Not one of them changed their life for the better - after a year not one looked happy and full of life instead their eyes looked tired and blank. It was like their former self was gone and literally sucked out of them.
So I was left with wondering why would a person make this choice? With all the information available today they know the risk involved and I feel like I judge them for making a bad decision willingly. Whether it is out of greed or ignorance I still do not want to endorse this type of choice by acting like it is okay. They are not sexual saviors or walking a path to women being on the same playing field as men with promiscuity - instead they keep women down and thought of as just a way for men to satisfy their sexual desire.
As I said before demeaning yourself for any amount of money is like selling your soul to the devil or just plain selling yourself- I like to think more of myself and wish they did too so as not to do this type of work.
It to me is like the carnival that came with the deformed people and people would come pay to get some sick thrill from viewing them - just not good for them or the viewers to participate. On a humane level. If this is so great well then why get married or have relationships? We can all go somewhere and do whatever it takes to make the dollar - just think of how our society would look from that view point and tell me that this should not be frowned upon.
What are you referring to exactly?...any strip club (if not a run down hidden basement joint) will not allow anything to go on in the club or dance/stage area....touching is also not allowed. The girls don't want it (they want the money) and the club is always fearful of being shut down or losing their alcohol/operation license by letting anything other than dancing/exhibition by the strippers. There is always a chance an undercover ABC agent or member of a local agency making sure they don't violate the ordinances they operate under might be present and they won't take the chance....not in a club open to the public.
Also, you're entitled to your opinion but just know that many others feel the opposite of how you do about the issue, including many strippers who actually enjoy it. It also isn't as deep sometimes as you're making it out to be as far as the "meaning of it all" or it's impact on societal/equality issues...that's not unexpected since you are a female who apparently maintains the view that women who strip are beneath you and demean themselves. Most men aren't that complicated about it....they see it as a fun time with attractive girls dancing and showing off their bodies. Enticing/arousing?...yes, it can be but it adds spice to one's life and allows men to appreciate the female body/looks....if this were an art museum with men appreciating the great works of painted nudes, be honest...you wouldn't care would you?
I wanted to add to my earlier response but too late....but, would you classify this as porn - if not, why not? SURPRISE...they're SI swimsuit issue photos!! Guess that means SI is a porn magazine too right? :
I find it fascinating that you carry on fond relationships with people partaking in this "career". May I inquire what benefits they are lacking? Let's see ...they pay no taxes turning tricks. They decide their own hours. . Have you openly discussed what aspired them into such a trade?
Being washed up at 40 in the porn industry or turning tricks isn't something to vest a life in. I suppose these rights you speak of ...entail...sick days...unemployment ...insurance ..and being drug tested like the rest of legitimate employees. I'm trying to imagine them fighting in an at will state when they are sexually harassed. How does the wisdom of Solomon work that one out....ohh judge he grabbed my buttocks. ! Yeah.....not so well eh? Talk about sleeping with the boss ...or clients....puts a whole new spin on these workers rights. I'd say given the cold weather ...it's still not cold enough to see laws passed to "protect" and give rights to the performer. I just cannot find one glorifying thing about this trade work. Will the better business Bureau give them an a rating? Can a client get a refund? Hmmm. ...
I find this He-larios like haha funny! You really think someone on screen making thousands of dollars at a time doesn’t pay taxes? You think the IRS is that stupid? Like I’ve said prior I’ve been a sugar baby and I had to research tax law. Truth is Uncle Sam doesn’t care what you do as long as you pay him!
I find this He-larios like haha funny! You really think someone on screen making thousands of dollars at a time doesn’t pay taxes? You think the IRS is that stupid? Like I’ve said prior I’ve been a sugar baby and I had to research tax law. Truth is Uncle Sam doesn’t care what you do as long as you pay him!
Yup. Al Capone wasn't nailed for the numerous "obvious" crimes that were committed but he was nailed for tax evasion.
Every single one of my friends pay taxes.... The fact that he singled out sex workers that operate on cash ignoring the fact that there are many people work more conventional jobs that operate on cash. Obviously this poster wasn't "curious" or find anything "fascinating" but rather being judgmental, insulting, and ignorant.
The poster ignores the fact that being targeted for violence, rape, and arrest for making a individual bodily choice and rather fixate on stupidity as unemployment benefits.
Some of my so called "low life" friends of mine haven't pulled a single dime off of welfare nor unemployment. A claim that many regular workers can't make....
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