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Ok....maybe I misjudged (prejudged) you as a holy roller savior type with a prudish bent.
Far from that. As I said in one of my replies to your posts.... I've been around sex work for the better half of my life. Most of my circle of friends (some even considered family to me) are sex workers; I only want their rights over dominion over body / freedom of choice protected.
Although I would agree that porn actresses should be regarded as sex workers since they are being paid and benefiting from the actual sex act....but, saying strippers are "sex workers" is off the mark. While they may serve as visual titillation and be sexually suggestive, unless they are directly exchanging sex for money like a prostitute, escort, etc. then it's not the same. It's like saying actresses who bare it all in a movie or do a sex scene is a sex worker because they got paid for it.
In fact, the World Health Organization defines "sex work/worker" as :
"Sex work is the provision of sexual services for money or goods" and "Sex workers are women, men and transgendered people who receive money or goods in exchange for sexual services."
And sexual services is defined as being the same as prostitution....namely, a physical sexual act performed on another and paid for. So, the act of stripping, in and of itself, is NOT sex work or a sexual service.
If porn actresses are sex workers then strippers are too. Stripping is a form of pornography for which the strippers are paid. There is not one single definition of pornography that states physical contact or sexual intercourse is a criteria.
pornography noun
por·nog·ra·phy | \ pȯr-ˈnä-grə-fē \
Definition of pornography
1 : the depiction of erotic behavior intended to cause sexual excitement
2 : material that depicts erotic behavior and is intended to cause sexual excitement
(Merriam-Webster)
Quote:
"Sex work is any type of labor where the explicit goal is to produce a sexual or erotic response in the client. Sex work includes prostitution, but it also includes a bunch of other things like erotic dancing, pro-dom/pro-sub work, webcam work, sensual massage, adult film, phone sex, being a sugar baby, etc in exchange for money, shelter, or subsistence.”
Christa Daring, executive director of the Sex Workers Outreach Project-USA (SWOP-USA)
Quote:
"Pornography is the portrayal of erotic behavior designed to cause sexual excitement. It is words, acts, or representations that are calculated to stimulate sex feelings independent of the presence of another loved and chosen human being. It is divorced from reality in its sole purpose to stimulate erotic response. It is preoccupied with and concentrates on sex organs for the purpose of sexual stimulation. It emphasizes them and focuses on them in varying ways calculated to incite sexual desire."
City of Youngstown v. DeLoreto courtesy of Duhaime's Law Dictionary
That GhostOfAndrewJackson, they're such an auto mechanic.
That GhostOfAndrewJackson, they're such a wh*re.
No one would be offended by the former statement, the second statement may well cause offense.
A woman who is overtly sexual is known as overtly sexual, hot, or sexually liberated, unless, you choose a derogatory term. Exactly like African Americans, are known as African Americans, Black, and other neutral terms, but, there's certainly words you can choose that are non-neutral adjectives.
Consider, the terms player and stud, to sl*t, skank. There's really only one difference in use, one refers to men, the other to women, however the meanings in a broader sense are decidedly different.
You missed my point. It is simply a label. The label may or may not have a negative connotation, the connotation is as irrelevant as the label itself, as the true meaning is the same. You can call a duck a cat all you want, but it is still a duck. A who*e is a who*e, and idiot is an idiot, a Pol*ck is a Pol*ck, you can call them a sexually liberated woman, a person who is cognitively challenged, or a person of Polish descent and it doesn't change a thing, the meaning is still the same.
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You missed my point. It is simply a label. The label may or may not have a negative connotation, the connotation is as irrelevant as the label itself, as the true meaning is the same. You can call a duck a cat all you want, but it is still a duck. A who*e is a who*e, and idiot is an idiot, a Pol*ck is a Pol*ck, you can call them a sexually liberated woman, a person who is cognitively challenged, or a person of Polish descent and it doesn't change a thing, the meaning is still the same.
So I can call you a w&nker then? It's true right? You're a guy who masturbates so..... hello w&nker
the connotation is as irrelevant as the label itself, as the true meaning is the same
Wrong. The study of linguistics proves that you're wrong, proves that few words have a single 'true' meaning and all those examples are relative, as in, you need additional information to qualify them. There are seven types of meaning for words. Go look it up. Oh, and while you're at it, why don't you find out what the criteria for promiscuity is. You said that the word sl*t has a true meaning so that means you'd have to be able to quantify promiscuity.
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You missed my point. It is simply a label. The label may or may not have a negative connotation, the connotation is as irrelevant as the label itself, as the true meaning is the same. You can call a duck a cat all you want, but it is still a duck. A who*e is a who*e, and idiot is an idiot, a Pol*ck is a Pol*ck, you can call them a sexually liberated woman, a person who is cognitively challenged, or a person of Polish descent and it doesn't change a thing, the meaning is still the same.
Really?
That's your argument?
The language filter on this site immediately proves you wrong. However done let that stop you proving your claim by approaching these labels of people and calling them that label, you can (or your next of kin can) inform us of your experiences. Good luck.
Again there have been high profile cases of doctors, lawyers and bankers committing murder, rape and other various crimes. What does the profession have to do with crime?
What are these "many" crimes you speak of?
I don't know about "many", but there are several cases wherein men murdered their wives so they could be with a stripper who they really thought loved them.
Of course, that's not the fault of the stripper or her profession, but rather some idiot who lied to himself, murdered someone, and then found out he was wrong about his self-delusion and gets to think about it in prison for the rest of his life.
If porn actresses are sex workers then strippers are too. Stripping is a form of pornography for which the strippers are paid. There is not one single definition of pornography that states physical contact or sexual intercourse is a criteria.
pornography noun
por·nog·ra·phy | \ pȯr-ˈnä-grə-fē \
Definition of pornography
1 : the depiction of erotic behavior intended to cause sexual excitement
2 : material that depicts erotic behavior and is intended to cause sexual excitement
(Merriam-Webster)
Christa Daring, executive director of the Sex Workers Outreach Project-USA (SWOP-USA)
City of Youngstown v. DeLoreto courtesy of Duhaime's Law Dictionary
Oh....ok...because a female head of a outreach project and a court opinion says it, it must be adopted by me and other rational people as true right? Unlike you apparently do, I don't just go along with what I'm told or what I'm supposed to believe without challenging it and using common sense.
Ask anyone what porn is and 99.9% of the time undoubtedly the answers you will get is people HAVING SEX or performing SEXUAL ACTS on video/film. No one is going to say "stripping" or "pole dancing".
Oh..and like you, I can find alternate sources of the definition of "pornography" that go against the one you've chose to prove a point (it didn't but...nice try):
pornography NOUN mass noun
Printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate sexual excitement.
You're free to believe whatever you want, just like I am. And, apparently your own "preconceived notions" won't allow you to accept another point of view or question those very organizations who " they define it that way so it must be true." Common sense dictates a girl stripping at a club and doing nothing more is not the equal of a prostitute being paid for and performing sexual acts (sexual services) upon a person. While stripping is based on sex it again is NOT a sexual service or a service paid for with the expectation of a physical act upon the person viewing it or paying for it. I don't expect you to agree with that....you seem typical of a brainwashed idealist buying into whatever such overreaching organizations claim or try to bring into their folds so as to "correct" them...with the end result being to ban or eliminate them from society because they go against their puritanical thinking and goals.
Got news for you....it's always going to be around...stripping, prostitution and the sex trade in general.
By your definition, phone sex and web cam sex are not sex work. There are what, 100 million sexually active people in the US? What they define as sex can get pretty weird. Apparently there are people who get off on sucking toes. Foot fetish is so far outside my wheelhouse that it makes no sense, but hey, "different strokes," you know? Have you even given any thought to what constitutes a "sex act?" Would someone letting their toes get sucked for money be a prostitute? What about BDSM? What about lap dances?
The simplest definition is, if somebody is getting off on it, yeah, it's sex.
Far from that. As I said in one of my replies to your posts.... I've been around sex work for the better half of my life. Most of my circle of friends (some even considered family to me) are sex workers; I only want their rights over dominion over body / freedom of choice protected.
Feel free to search my post history on the topic.
I find it fascinating that you carry on fond relationships with people partaking in this "career". May I inquire what benefits they are lacking? Let's see ...they pay no taxes turning tricks. They decide their own hours. . Have you openly discussed what aspired them into such a trade?
Being washed up at 40 in the porn industry or turning tricks isn't something to vest a life in. I suppose these rights you speak of ...entail...sick days...unemployment ...insurance ..and being drug tested like the rest of legitimate employees. I'm trying to imagine them fighting in an at will state when they are sexually harassed. How does the wisdom of Solomon work that one out....ohh judge he grabbed my buttocks. ! Yeah.....not so well eh? Talk about sleeping with the boss ...or clients....puts a whole new spin on these workers rights. I'd say given the cold weather ...it's still not cold enough to see laws passed to "protect" and give rights to the performer. I just cannot find one glorifying thing about this trade work. Will the better business Bureau give them an a rating? Can a client get a refund? Hmmm. ...
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