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It’s a predatory business towards women. It debases and dehumanizes, transforms women into objects I strongly suggest you watch a few documentaries about porn and then come back on here. Most of these women are ruined for the rest of their lives. Some actresses are to this day attempting to get some semblance of their life after porn together.
I guess if you wanna debase yourself in such manner go ahead and enter that industry. Sure there may be the occasional doctor putting herself through school /mom taking care of a handicapped child, hooker with the heart of gold Hollywood movie script, but mostly it’s just people getting taken advantage of. And made to do some disturbing things. Porn today seems to be very violent towards women. And I don’t watch a lot of porn. But some that I get shown it can be disturbing,
Ok, Doctor (or did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express once?? lol). How about you and others who claim such women MUST have been traumatized, abused, etc. do a little research from professional studies such as:
The Main Difference Between Porn Actresses and Other Women
Hint: It has nothing to do with a history of sexual abuse.
"Forget the widely held belief that pornography actresses are survivors of child sexual abuse and/or adolescent rape who grow up so traumatized that they’re easy prey for evil pornographers. On the contrary, the first credible survey of the women in porn shows that they are remarkably similar to other women—with one main difference. They enjoy sex more."
The survey assessed this—and found that compared with controls, the porn actresses actually enjoyed greater mental health. They reported higher self-esteem and more positive feelings about their lives (p < .01), more social support (p < .05), and greater sexual satisfaction (p < .05). The researchers concluded that porn actresses “are not psychologically impaired and appear more similar to other women than previously thought.”
If you consider porn abhorrent, you’ll probably dismiss this survey as nonsense. Surveys, especially those using convenience samples, do, indeed have limitations. But this survey represents the best information to date—and it shows that porn actresses are pretty much like other women. They just enjoy sex more.
Thus, neither porn actors nor strippers are sex workers; pornography is not a sex industry and neither is exotic dancing..
Incorrect. Sex workers are paid to engage in sex acts with the person paying them.
Porn actors are not paid to engage in sex acts with the person paying them (although there is an interesting case where the producer/director was also an actor... the courts held it was not prostitution).
Strippers are not paid to engage in sex acts at all. They are paid to be exotic dancers
As someone else pointed out, any individual may have a side job - but that's a different issue.
Sex worker can refer to individuals who do not directly engage in sexual activity such as pole dancers, sex toy testers, and strip club managers.
You can disagree all you want. Those quotes I provide were from peer-reviewed research. A sex worker is anyone who works in the sex industry, anyone who facilitates the sex for money trade and that includes strippers. I don't know how you can say porn and stripping aren't sex work when the primary intent is sexual and they're paid for it.
Sex worker can refer to individuals who do not directly engage in sexual activity such as pole dancers, sex toy testers, and strip club managers.
You can disagree all you want. Those quotes I provide were from peer-reviewed research. A sex worker is anyone who works in the sex industry, anyone who facilitates the sex for money trade and that includes strippers. I don't know how you can say porn and stripping aren't sex work when the primary intent is sexual and they're paid for it.
Although I would agree that porn actresses should be regarded as sex workers since they are being paid and benefiting from the actual sex act....but, saying strippers are "sex workers" is off the mark. While they may serve as visual titillation and be sexually suggestive, unless they are directly exchanging sex for money like a prostitute, escort, etc. then it's not the same. It's like saying actresses who bare it all in a movie or do a sex scene is a sex worker because they got paid for it.
In fact, the World Health Organization defines "sex work/worker" as :
"Sex work is the provision of sexual services for money or goods" and "Sex workers are women, men and transgendered people who receive money or goods in exchange for sexual services."
And sexual services is defined as being the same as prostitution....namely, a physical sexual act performed on another and paid for. So, the act of stripping, in and of itself, is NOT sex work or a sexual service.
Although I would agree that porn actresses should be regarded as sex workers since they are being paid and benefiting from the actual sex act....but, saying strippers are "sex workers" is off the mark. While they may serve as visual titillation and be sexually suggestive, unless they are directly exchanging sex for money like a prostitute, escort, etc. then it's not the same. It's like saying actresses who bare it all in a movie or do a sex scene is a sex worker because they got paid for it.
In fact, the World Health Organization defines "sex worker" as : "Sex work is the provision of sexual services for money or goods or a person who provides same."
Again.... It is widely accepted that sex work includes more than just sexual services. There are numerous organizations related to sex worker rights and various valid references to that. Even those that strip/dance/film and do other sex related services that don't include sexual intercourse also accept that what they do is sex work. I'm involved in such organizations and they deal with issues/rights that range beyond just prostitution (but focused mostly on prostitution because other forms of sex work are already protected by existing labor laws.) Several references have been already posted in this thread regarding.
The WHO isn't the reference on the topic as they deal mostly with sex trafficking and prostitution from the perspective of concern of the spread of disease... hence "world HEALTH organziation". They won't be involved in telephone sex or webcam work... but both of those fall under the umbrella of sex work.. yes including stripping.
Please go beyond the first hit on google search....
"Other sex workers are paid to engage in live sexual performance, such as webcam sex[4][5] and performers in live sex shows. Some sex workers perform erotic dances and other acts for an audience. These include: striptease, go-go dancing, lap dancing, neo-burlesque, and peep shows. Sexual surrogates work with psychoanalysts to engage in sexual activity as part of therapy with their clients.[6] Thus, although the term sex worker is sometimes viewed as a synonym or euphemism for "prostitute", it is more general. Sex worker can refer to individuals who do not directly engage in sexual activity such as pole dancers, sex toy testers, and strip club managers.[7][3] Another example of sex workers that would not fall under the term prostitute would be an adult talent manager, who negotiates and secures pornographic roles for clients. There are also erotic photographers who shoot and edit for adult media and porn reviewers who watch and rate adult films.[7]"
You guys have really gotten sucked in by the propaganda. "Most strippers and porn stars are drug users?" So are most Americans. Trafficking is rampant? If you were busted for turning tricks, you would paint yourself as a hapless victim too. Yes, drug use and trafficking happens, but it is nowhere near as common as the moralizers would have you think. Lots of women see nothing wrong with having sex for money, either in front of a camera or not. College towns have the best strippers, because many young women do put themselves through school with no student debt by dancing.
Sex workers know very well that they are not there for the young and attractive. They service the old, the debilitated, the deformed, and anyone who finds impersonal sex welcome or convenient. If they are articulate and attractive, they can earn good money as arm candy with a sensual end to the evening. Streetwalkers usually have pimps, but hostess and escort services are run like a business that offer a range of services, from live video to stag parties. Often they are owned and operated by women. Any diplomatic function will have at least a few professionals who assure that no one influential will lack for company, and that includes attentive and attractive young men. If a man is young, attractive and dexterous with his hands, he can earn a good living by finding a massage parlor that caters to lonely women.
Laws against sex are doomed to fail. People want sex, and they know to keep their mouths shut about paying for it. Arrests have to be stings, because nobody willingly involved ever calls the cops. One or two arrests may make the news, but ever Superbowl around 10,000 prostitutes come to town, which represents hundreds of thousands of instances of sex for hire.
You can deplore it all you want, but you are just blowing hot air. If you were really concerned, you would insist that prostitution be legal and regulated. In countries where it is legal, trafficking is discovered and stopped. In the US, it is only discovered in connection with other enforcement, like a drug bust.
Exactly... As I mentioned when I first posted here... most of the most vocal people are relying heavily on assumptions and biases without any effort to actually understand the reality of sex work. They refuse to understand that sex workers are people too... just like everyone else... just trying to earn a living.
Again.... It is widely accepted that sex work includes more than just sexual services. There are numerous organizations related to sex worker rights and various valid references to that. Even those that strip/dance/film and do other sex related services that don't include sexual intercourse also accept that what they do is sex work. I'm involved in such organizations and they deal with issues/rights that range beyond just prostitution (but focused mostly on prostitution because other forms of sex work are already protected by existing labor laws.) Several references have been already posted in this thread regarding.
The WHO isn't the reference on the topic as they deal mostly with sex trafficking and prostitution from the perspective of concern of the spread of disease... hence "world HEALTH organziation". They won't be involved in telephone sex or webcam work... but both of those fall under the umbrella of sex work.. yes including stripping.
Please go beyond the first hit on google search....
"Other sex workers are paid to engage in live sexual performance, such as webcam sex[4][5] and performers in live sex shows. Some sex workers perform erotic dances and other acts for an audience. These include: striptease, go-go dancing, lap dancing, neo-burlesque, and peep shows. Sexual surrogates work with psychoanalysts to engage in sexual activity as part of therapy with their clients.[6] Thus, although the term sex worker is sometimes viewed as a synonym or euphemism for "prostitute", it is more general. Sex worker can refer to individuals who do not directly engage in sexual activity such as pole dancers, sex toy testers, and strip club managers.[7][3] Another example of sex workers that would not fall under the term prostitute would be an adult talent manager, who negotiates and secures pornographic roles for clients. There are also erotic photographers who shoot and edit for adult media and porn reviewers who watch and rate adult films.[7]"
There are at least 5 references to read further in that wiki entry.
It's no surprise that do gooder organizations want to classify anything and everything under one big umbrella so they can attempt to gain control & police it but.....no matter how you want to try to make it, stripping is not a sexual service....and I don't care that you or any overreaching organization attempts to define it as such or that Wikipedia (smh) defines it as being included.
It's no surprise that do gooder organizations want to classify anything and everything under one big umbrella so they can attempt to gain control & police it but.....no matter how you want to try to make it, stripping is not sex work....and I don't care that you or any overreaching organization's attempt to define it as such.
The references (which obviously you didn't look at) are not from only those organizations.
I also doubt anyone cares about your definition of it.... Just yet another person who refuses to accept anything but their own views/biases and their own preconceived notions. What's the point of participating on a topic you know very little about and refuse to entertain other's people input in such a discussion?
Summary.. I'll take those references and organizations definition of sex work over some person on the internet forum named luckyram
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Are you living under a rock?
Google "male dance review" and I promise you will find at least one in your area within the next month even if you live in the boondocks. Chippendales and other shows like them are very much still around and usually packed so apparently women do want to watch men strip even if you don't.
I actually did google Male strippers, locally, before I posted that. I got a couple hits of businesses who will provide strippers for bachelorette parties, a funny lark, and then there were endless strip clubs featuring female strippers geared toward the male audience.
I literally could not find ONE bar in my major metropolitan area that had a male stripper for a female audience.
So that tells me, I wasn't living under a rock when I posted that.
It used to be a fun thing to do, and novel, in the 90's, not so much anymore. There isn't a paying audience.
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Sex worker can refer to individuals who do not directly engage in sexual activity such as pole dancers, sex toy testers, and strip club managers.
You can disagree all you want. Those quotes I provide were from peer-reviewed research. A sex worker is anyone who works in the sex industry, anyone who facilitates the sex for money trade and that includes strippers. I don't know how you can say porn and stripping aren't sex work when the primary intent is sexual and they're paid for it.
Sex toy testers.
Let's see, looking through the job ads. Bus driver. Preschool teacher. Waiter.
Sex toy tester.
Now THERE'S a career that might attract a lot of applicants!
The references (which obviously you didn't look at) are not from only those organizations.
I also doubt anyone cares about your definition of it.... Just yet another person who refuses to accept anything but their own views/biases and their own preconceived notions. What's the point of participating on a topic you know very little about and refuse to entertain other's people input in such a discussion?
Summary.. I'll take those references and organizations definition of sex work over some person on the internet forum named luckyram
You're free to believe whatever you want, just like I am. And, apparently your own "preconceived notions" won't allow you to accept another point of view or question those very organizations who " they define it that way so it must be true." Common sense dictates a girl stripping at a club and doing nothing more is not the equal of a prostitute being paid for and performing sexual acts (sexual services) upon a person. While stripping is based on sex it again is NOT a sexual service or a service paid for with the expectation of a physical act upon the person viewing it or paying for it. I don't expect you to agree with that....you seem typical of a brainwashed idealist buying into whatever such overreaching organizations claim or try to bring into their folds so as to "correct" them...with the end result being to ban or eliminate them from society because they go against their puritanical thinking and goals.
Got news for you....it's always going to be around...stripping, prostitution and the sex trade in general.
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