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Old 01-28-2009, 04:38 PM
 
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There have been alot of statistics cited by gun-lovers in this forum supporting their cause. Here's the real bottom line:

WASHINGTON, April 26 (UPI) -- States with high rates of gun ownership have the highest firearm death rates, an analysis by a U.S. non-profit group found.

The Violence Policy Center in Washington used data from 2005 -- the most recent available -- from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
The five states with the highest per capita gun death rates -- Louisiana, Alaska, Montana, Tennessee and Alabama -- had a per capita gun death rate far exceeding the national per capita gun death rate of 10.32 per 100,000.
Louisiana had the highest rate of gun death, 19.04 per 100,000 and has household gun ownership of 45.6 percent. Alaska had a gun death rate 17.49 per 100,000 and household gun ownership of 60.6 percent. Montana had a gun death rate of 17.22 per 100,000 and 61.4 percent gun ownership.
Conversely, states with the lowest levels of gun ownership had the lowest levels of gun death rates.
Hawaii has a household gun ownership of 9.7 percent and a gun death rate of 2.20 per 100,000. Massachusetts has 12.8 percent rate of gun ownership and a gun death rate of 3.48 per 100,000. Rhode Island has a household gun ownership of 13.3 percent and a gun death rate of 3.63 per 100,000, the researchers said.



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On a worldwide basis, the US has the highest rate of gun ownership and the by far the highest rate of of gun deaths among industrialized countries. (http://www.iansa.org/documents/GunDeathRates.pdf (broken link)). There is a direct correlation between a country's gun ownership rate, and its gun death rate. (higher the ownership, higher the death rate)

More guns, less crime? rediculous

I can't wait to see the gun-lover rationalization for these basic facts.

 
Old 01-28-2009, 05:03 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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There have been alot of statistics cited by gun-lovers in this forum supporting their cause. Here's the real bottom line:

WASHINGTON, April 26 (UPI) -- States with high rates of gun ownership have the highest firearm death rates, an analysis by a U.S. non-profit group found.

The Violence Policy Center in Washington used data from 2005 -- the most recent available -- from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
The five states with the highest per capita gun death rates -- Louisiana, Alaska, Montana, Tennessee and Alabama -- had a per capita gun death rate far exceeding the national per capita gun death rate of 10.32 per 100,000.
Louisiana had the highest rate of gun death, 19.04 per 100,000 and has household gun ownership of 45.6 percent. Alaska had a gun death rate 17.49 per 100,000 and household gun ownership of 60.6 percent. Montana had a gun death rate of 17.22 per 100,000 and 61.4 percent gun ownership.
Conversely, states with the lowest levels of gun ownership had the lowest levels of gun death rates.
Hawaii has a household gun ownership of 9.7 percent and a gun death rate of 2.20 per 100,000. Massachusetts has 12.8 percent rate of gun ownership and a gun death rate of 3.48 per 100,000. Rhode Island has a household gun ownership of 13.3 percent and a gun death rate of 3.63 per 100,000, the researchers said.



© 2008 United Press International, Inc. All Rights Reserved.

On a worldwide basis, the US has the highest rate of gun ownership and the by far the highest rate of of gun deaths among industrialized countries. (http://www.iansa.org/documents/GunDeathRates.pdf (broken link)). There is a direct correlation between a country's gun ownership rate, and its gun death rate. (higher the ownership, higher the death rate)

More guns, less crime? rediculous

I can't wait to see the gun-lover rationalization for these basic facts.
Been there , done that..... Wait away.....
 
Old 01-28-2009, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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We had another unusual incident at 16th and Kalorama. Another officer was assaulted and had to use his weapon.
RL, I would like to ask you a straight forward question that, I would hope, you would give a staight forward, non evasive answer to. The question is this:

If you had the opportunity, would you be a proponent for, a supporter of, gun law restrictions such as in the District through out the rest of the country?
 
Old 01-28-2009, 05:21 PM
 
Location: In a house
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We had another unusual incident at 16th and Kalorama. Another officer was assaulted and had to use his weapon.
Why is an officers life worth useing a gun to save but not a citizen?
 
Old 01-28-2009, 05:28 PM
 
Location: In a house
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Originally Posted by american joe View Post
There have been alot of statistics cited by gun-lovers in this forum supporting their cause. Here's the real bottom line:

WASHINGTON, April 26 (UPI) -- States with high rates of gun ownership have the highest firearm death rates, an analysis by a U.S. non-profit group found.

The Violence Policy Center in Washington used data from 2005 -- the most recent available -- from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
The five states with the highest per capita gun death rates -- Louisiana, Alaska, Montana, Tennessee and Alabama -- had a per capita gun death rate far exceeding the national per capita gun death rate of 10.32 per 100,000.
Louisiana had the highest rate of gun death, 19.04 per 100,000 and has household gun ownership of 45.6 percent. Alaska had a gun death rate 17.49 per 100,000 and household gun ownership of 60.6 percent. Montana had a gun death rate of 17.22 per 100,000 and 61.4 percent gun ownership.
Conversely, states with the lowest levels of gun ownership had the lowest levels of gun death rates.
Hawaii has a household gun ownership of 9.7 percent and a gun death rate of 2.20 per 100,000. Massachusetts has 12.8 percent rate of gun ownership and a gun death rate of 3.48 per 100,000. Rhode Island has a household gun ownership of 13.3 percent and a gun death rate of 3.63 per 100,000, the researchers said.



© 2008 United Press International, Inc. All Rights Reserved.

On a worldwide basis, the US has the highest rate of gun ownership and the by far the highest rate of of gun deaths among industrialized countries. (http://www.iansa.org/documents/GunDeathRates.pdf (broken link)). There is a direct correlation between a country's gun ownership rate, and its gun death rate. (higher the ownership, higher the death rate)

More guns, less crime? rediculous

I can't wait to see the gun-lover rationalization for these basic facts.

No need to rationalize.
The stats arent even crime related. They lump all gun deaths together pretty much making the whole thing useless.

Besides, its a civil right, get over it.
 
Old 01-29-2009, 03:13 PM
 
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No need to rationalize.
The stats arent even crime related. They lump all gun deaths together pretty much making the whole thing useless.

Besides, its a civil right, get over it.
The stats include homicides. Is a homicide a crime or a civil right? (see license to murder laws being pushed by the NRA in over 20 states)
 
Old 01-29-2009, 04:02 PM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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The stats include homicides. Is a homicide a crime or a civil right? (see license to murder laws being pushed by the NRA in over 20 states)

????? Which ones are those??? I'm an NRA life member and sure don't remember those. Oh yeah, that's the way you gun banners talk because using the correct terminology doesn't stir people's emotions up enough. Ain't dishonesty grand? My mistake.
 
Old 01-29-2009, 04:31 PM
 
Location: In a house
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The stats include homicides. Is a homicide a crime or a civil right? (see license to murder laws being pushed by the NRA in over 20 states)
It depends on what you consider a homicide. I dont consider shooting an intruder homicide, I call it self defense. The NRA isn't pushing anything like licenses to murder. Thats funny. The NRA is backing legislation similar to that in Texas which protects you from prosecution if you are unlucky enough to have to shoot someone to protect yourself. You cant just go shoot somebody because you want to but you dont have to hide in the closet while they clean out your house or worse. The need to create falsehoods to derail good common sense legislation is just evidence of your fanaticism. This is something that a law shouldn't even be needed for.
But it is so there you go. The fact is if other states want it they can adopt it. Its a free country & nice to see law on the side of the good guys for a change.

but anyway including homocides isn't the problem. The problem is what else it includes.

GUN OWNERSHIP, thats the right. If you commit homicide you lose it & go to prison. See, its alright, homicide is against the law!
 
Old 01-29-2009, 05:07 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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The stats include homicides. Is a homicide a crime or a civil right? (see license to murder laws being pushed by the NRA in over 20 states)
"license to murder". LMAO. You hoplophobes are really to much. So melodramatic all the time. It would be amusing to observe one of you guys react to a defensive situation. Oh I know , just give the bad guys what they want and they will go away and leave you alone.. Baaahhhhh. Mary had a little lamb...la la la. OH MY...... For some people being a cooperative victim is not an option. If that bothers you ,Oh well.
 
Old 01-29-2009, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Not where I want to be
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But these police won't walk you back to your car, will they?

Criminals may just begin lingering outside of gun-free buildings, figuring people have to walk from the hospital or federal building, to a parking lot 2-3 blocks away.
It's funny you should say that. Just yesterday someone was robbed about 20 feet from the emergency room door entrance, at the hospital that I work at. We don't have available parking so we literally have to park down the road and walk to the hospital with no security. That's why I just applied for my concealed weapons permit.
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