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Old 11-27-2008, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I think there is an issue of people trying to be the intellectual elitist (not elite). Some people have the attitude of...I'm smarter/more educated/more experienced then you, therefor I will make decisions for you (or) I automatically win the argument.

Though what's usually pretty funny is people who think they are really are not.
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Old 11-27-2008, 04:17 PM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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Greed, bigotry, exploitation, etc. ....there's no shortage of genuine evils to be concerned about. But the only people who really care about petty stuff like "Elitists", are the folks with a bit of an inferiority complex, and the ones trying to exploit it.

The whole idea of "Elitists", "flyover country", "culture wars", etc. is another cheap and divisive trick for hanging onto power, just like the rest... by preying on peoples fears, insecurities and prejudices. And like any other con, buying into it is for suckers.
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Old 11-27-2008, 04:44 PM
 
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The elite in this case are those that think they deserve something for nothing because of who they are. Elitism has never been based on anyhting that the people desreve by producing. Its a sense of having to creat nothing and still deserving alot.In politics its the ruling class system and their offspring.In the need there are only so many that will be elite in this country and they are the ones in the top 1% of wealth and that means power.Quite a difference between elistiam and actaully be in the elite class in any country.

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Old 11-28-2008, 10:54 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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When people describe themselves as "elite" or "intellectuals", they mean they are smarter and know better than you. That's why the Dems get that label. The "Liberal Elite" like Obama want to play God and social engineer our society to death because they know better and feel they have the right to dictate to us.
How is that different than claiming you speak to god and that he's the one giving your orders to wage war or to step in the way of people's civil liberties?

How is allowing people the freedom to do as they please more of a "social engineering" type of move than say, taking the right to abortion or marriage away from people?
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Old 11-28-2008, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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How is that different than claiming you speak to god and that he's the one giving your orders to wage war or to step in the way of people's civil liberties?
It's not, no way no how. If some one claims a higher power in their motives it's just as bad...if some one really is they broke out of their institution. The only way I believe some one is taking orders from god is if an angel comes down and punches me in the mouth.
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Old 11-29-2008, 12:11 AM
 
Location: Obama playing field
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Something that some of these would be "elitest" forget to practice is the term "Humility".
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Old 11-29-2008, 09:30 AM
 
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Something that some of these would be "elitest" forget to practice is the term "Humility".
Do you mean the same kind of "god damn humility" you've said the blacks should learn, just like the "japs" and the "joows"....? http://www.city-data.com/forum/polit...ml#post5070097
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Old 11-29-2008, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Obama playing field
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Do you mean the same kind of "god damn humility" you've said the blacks should learn, just like the "japs" and the "joows"....? http://www.city-data.com/forum/polit...ml#post5070097
Different matter altogether kid, you like to play act mod or something? you need to get out more offen
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Old 11-29-2008, 12:25 PM
 
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I see a lot of talk on these threads on how someone is being "elitist". So that begs the question, what's wrong with being elite?

Aren't we taught as children that we should always try to be the best we can be? Aren't we told in this country that the dream of being an American is that anyone can grow up to be anything they want? Don't we work hard in high school so we can go to an Elite college so we can get an elite job so we can send our children to elite schools? If those are all true, how is being an "elitist" a bad thing?
Absolutely nothing. At the same time, it is important to stay connected to the great majority of the American Experience. For the problem with elitism is that, without frequent reality checks, it tends to feed on its own internal logic, often finding itself at deep odds with the way the rest of the world really works and thinks.

To me, the classic example was Obama's campaign gaffe about Pennsylvanians clinging to God and guns. These were obviously the words of a man who had never devoted more than 30 seconds to an ordinary American within the past ten years of his life, or else he would understand that ordinary Americans can hold highly nuanced opinions, and worldview that is supportable by information and experiences quite different than the ones you may hold. For in a world that's gray, as opposed to black-and-white, it boils down to prioritizing what's important as opposed to saying one school of thought is valid while the other is not.
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Old 11-29-2008, 12:32 PM
 
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Absolutely nothing. At the same time, it is important to stay connected to the great majority of the American Experience. For the problem with elitism is that, without frequent reality checks, it tends to feed on its own internal logic, often finding itself at deep odds with the way the rest of the world really works and thinks.

To me, the classic example was Obama's campaign gaffe about Pennsylvanians clinging to God and guns. These were obviously the words of a man who had never devoted more than 30 seconds to an ordinary American within the past ten years of his life, or else he would understand that ordinary Americans can hold highly nuanced opinions, and worldview that is supportable by information and experiences quite different than the ones you may hold. For in a world that's gray, as opposed to black-and-white, it boils down to prioritizing what's important as opposed to saying one school of thought is valid while the other is not.
You are not very connected yourself. You should work on that before you complain about someone that is your new president.
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