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Old 12-02-2008, 10:23 PM
 
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There is a pecking order with all animals. Put a group of people together and certain ones will endup in charge.Some will always be followers.In human its just that some of the followers will always think they know better4 but really its just talk.
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Old 12-02-2008, 11:34 PM
 
Location: SW Austin & Wimberley
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why has every society had a hierarchy of leadership?
Actually, every society has more than just leaders. The King/Queen architype is but one of the four main human architypes. All four require the others to thrive.

Lover - Feeling, connection - these are the poets, artists, creators.
Warrior - Service, enforcement - these are the fighters, protectors.
Magician - Discernment, Judgment - these are the thinkers.
King/Queen - Leadership, sovereign - these are the ones others look up to and/or obey.

Look at any group dynamic and you'll see the architypes. Even on a kindergarten playground. We all have them all in us, but one is usually dominant. Ever served on a jury? You probably saw all 4, but only one became the leader. Others didn't even want to lead. Same in your workplace. Same everywhere.

Also, the "King" can be benevolent or a tyrant, either one, or a combination of both. Doesn't matter. Some humans cannot function without being told what to do and given direction. Others are born to lead and dictate to others what they will do.

So the answer to your question is that we are designed to function that way. It's an innate part of being human.

Steve
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Old 12-03-2008, 10:44 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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Originally Posted by austin-steve
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Lover - Feeling, connection - these are the poets, artists, creators.
Warrior - Service, enforcement - these are the fighters, protectors.
Magician - Discernment, Judgment - these are the thinkers.
King/Queen - Leadership, sovereign - these are the ones others look up to and/or obey.
You forgot the Rebel - the leader without any followers or the leaderless servant, otherwise known as the social misfit/outcast.

I was born to rebel and as a Rebel I'm (equal?) part Lover, Warrior, Magician and King.
I don't accept anyone above me, nor do I accept anyone below me.
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Old 12-03-2008, 10:54 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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There will always be "leaders" and there will always be "followers"
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Old 12-04-2008, 12:08 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Are you sure civilizations created them? Perhaps leadership spontaneiously arose as some people were more aggressive than others. Civilizations vary according to how much leadership they tolierate. They wouldn't call them "alpha dogs" if that was simply a trait created by human civilization. It exists in all social or gregarious species.
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Old 12-04-2008, 12:16 AM
 
Location: southern california
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american version of equality includes freedom liberty and the pursuit of happiness for the individual and with huge rewards for personal achievement.
socialism version of equality includes all that too but to a much much lesser extent.
the group is emphasized not the individual.
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Old 12-04-2008, 12:23 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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the group is emphasized not the individual.
And rightly so, because the individual cannot survive without the group.
Heck they can't even breed on their own.
Besidez, a true family man can only be a socialist.
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Old 12-06-2008, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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american version of equality includes freedom liberty and the pursuit of happiness for the individual and with huge rewards for personal achievement.
socialism version of equality includes all that too but to a much much lesser extent.
the group is emphasized not the individual.
Why did you think this was a socialist-bashing thread? Because you assume that, latently, all of them are, just waiting for you to hijack them?
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Old 12-06-2008, 11:57 AM
 
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Leadership, civilization, and equality.

Leadership comes from a group of people following a person or a hierarchy or persons, whether voluntarily or not. Leadership can exist without civilization.

Civilization is about specialization. Specialists are those who are better at performing a useful or meaningful task, like farming or blacksmithing or baking or brewing or tailoring or housebuilding or entertaining.

Civilization, 'the art of living in cities', makes specialization practical by bringing together the specialists to share, barter, or sell the product of their trades. Trading, whether sharing, bartering, or selling, requires rules of conduct wherein the participants in trade both realize a benefit from the trade. Without these rules, civilization doesn't function and disappears. Rules require administration and enforcement, hence the need for leaders in a civilization.

Equality is a slippery concept.

Equality to some, it means equal outcomes - often attributed to the socialist and marxist philosophies, and some children's soccer leagues where score isn't kept.

Equality to others it means equal enforcement of the rules - often attributed to capitalist philosophies and poker games, except of that there are those who are better at poker and those who are simply marks.

Equality to yet others it means equal opportunity - that the circumstances of one's race or gender or national origin or economic class should not limit one's future. Such a view supports not only a level playing field, but also the opportunity to train and equip for the game. To what philosophy should we attribute this concept of equality?
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