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It seems as though we are now a country divided against each other, I have wondered if there is any hope of reconciliation between those on the liberal side and those on the conservative side.
I think we appear to be the dis-united states in the minds of many foreigner's. I just want to add that, a lot of us are certainly old enough now to see the little difference the two parties platforms have on our everyday life, why all the bickering? Will either party save us now?
I'd like to drop both political parties and replace them with Liberal/Conservative parties so you know exactly what you're getting. There could be a third party, too: The Schizoids. (only kidding about that last one)
Is reconciliation necessary? Do you think the people in North Korea, for example, would have a better or worse country if it had two opposing political parties? If the US swings left, then right then left then right does that sort of keep us on an even keel? I haven't given it a lot of thought.
The only time I think we have to fear is when too many unelected federal government people are controlling and running things and when are laws are ignored. I actually think ignoring our laws/not enforcing our laws is the current biggest reason we have chaos. The immigration debacle comes immediately to mind because its impacting other issues.
Yes, if we could chop off about a quarter of the extremes on both ends (and mix some independent, logical thinking in), we may actually have a chance at getting something useful happening politically.
Yeah, but those folks are always going to be there. It doesn't matter what country we're talking, what religion, what political affiliation, etc. There are always going to be extremists. And that's okay, provided they don't get violent.
Yea I agree, we don't need to be to agreeable, can we all agree on that? (haha!), we need a healthy balance. I think it's a problem though when it comes to the point that parties are doing anything just to advance their party. Like, don't disagree just because you're a bit more conservative/liberal than someone else. I see that a lot on the news. It's OK to think someone has a good idea even if they differ from you in other areas. Also, we need to expand our news coverage, don't watch just one channel. It's crazy how different they are.
No, I don't see the U.S. coming together any time soon. Debate has turned to hate. People aren't listening to the other side; they're slamming differing views and contemptuously dismissing them as "liberal" or "conservative." Nobody wants to meet in the middle and that is where compromise takes place. And right now, we have a one-party control with no checks and balances, so the system is failing. The rise of independent dissatisfaction makes that clear. A nation divided is a nation weakened, and that's what we are.
Who knows what the net net of all this is. Maybe the current administration will succeed... or maybe they will fail. Either way, half of the country will be unhappy because that is not what they want. But a lot of hardworking people are tired of subsidizing others and don't want public regulation of things they prefer to be left private. Those who get too fed up will leave and retire somewhere more to their liking. I know many people who are planning to retire abroad-- and some have already purchased property there. There are many ways to revolt. But this time, it won't be bottom-up; it will be upper/middle-down. And they'll take their money with them.
Please offer some argumentative support for this platitude. In fact, it even falls short of being a platitude. I just googled the phrase, and got exactly 8 hits, all of them in message boards like this one. Who, besides you, thinks that a nation divided is a nation weakened?
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Originally Posted by goodbyehollywood
And right now, we have a one-party control with no checks and balances, so the system is failing. .
Wait a minute. Didn't you just say a nation is weakened if there is difference of opinion, and now you say it is failing because there is not a difference of opinion?
It seems as though we are now a country divided against each other, I have wondered if there is any hope of reconciliation between those on the liberal side and those on the conservative side.
I think we appear to be the dis-united states in the minds of many foreigner's. I just want to add that, a lot of us are certainly old enough now to see the little difference the two parties platforms have on our everyday life, why all the bickering? Will either party save us now?
If the first words out of someone's mouth are that is a liberal blah, blah, blah then I have no use for it. I may as well turn the tv to Faux News.
That is idiocy not division. That is someone who spends there time listening to talk radio shows and does not have the capacity to think for themselves. They just repeat what they have heard.
I have heard that go the other way as well.
Oddly enough, it has become this mantra and people aren't really wanting to figure out solutions or discuss anything. They just want to hear themselves talk.
Please offer some argumentative support for this platitude. In fact, it even falls short of being a platitude. I just googled the phrase, and got exactly 8 hits, all of them in message boards like this one. Who, besides you, thinks that a nation divided is a nation weakened?
Wait a minute. Didn't you just say a nation is weakened if there is difference of opinion, and now you say it is failing because there is not a difference of opinion?
Well, actually Patrick Henry, Benjamin Franklin and Abraham Lincoln all used this "platitude" quite effectively. Perhaps you've heard of them? If not, you could Google them, since they seem to have made the argument quite persuasively.
Martin Luther King and John F. Kennedy-- remember them?-- seemed on board with this concept, too. Most people don't consider their viewpoints to "fall short of being a platitude," but you are, of course, entitled to your opinion.
Oddly enough, it has become this mantra and people aren't really wanting to figure out solutions or discuss anything. They just want to hear themselves talk.
lol that's funny. But what about questions then? Lot's of people post questions. Yes I think to a certain extent we do like hearing ourselves talk because, well, it's nice to assure yourself to others and feel like your spreading your beliefs around. Others spread their beliefs though and you take that into consideration and part of it can effect you and how you see others that think differently.
lol that's funny. But what about questions then? Lot's of people post questions. Yes I think to a certain extent we do like hearing ourselves talk because, well, it's nice to assure yourself to others and feel like your spreading your beliefs around. Others spread their beliefs though and you take that into consideration and part of it can effect you and how you see others that think differently.
The only questions that are answered have to start out with something referencing socialist scum or why is the right-winger? More of a baiting scenario.
Unless it gets down to things posted by WT and then they revolve around the superiority of ............it.
If the first words out of someone's mouth are that is a liberal blah, blah, blah then I have no use for it.
I'm neither conservative nor liberal partly because of prevalence of your little statement here (besides the fact I agree with almost nothing coming from either camp): the unwillingness to even listen to anybody with another opinion. I think that's one huge difference between past generations and our own. People used to at least be willing respect the rights of others to have their own opinion, and possibly even listen to those opinions. WITHOUT hating and ridiculing them. No more.
In my own case, I’ve actually developed my ‘political identity’ by listening to countless different opinions, both mainstream and not. I have in fact learned more and understood things better when listening to views that are completely counter to mine. The best way to understand someone’s opinion (that seems completely wrong to you) is by listening, analyzing, and trying to get to the reason why that person feels the way they do. In the end, you probably won’t agree with them any more than you did before, but you will understand why they think that way. You will also develop some tolerance and understanding of different political ideologies.
BTW, I'll bet you are all ears if the first words out of someone's mouth is that conservative moron is a dirty blah blah blah...
The problem I see with both sides (liberal and conservative) is that the think they are 'open minded' and that the other side is simply a lemming kingdom. They have a real hard time seeing that they are both what they accuse the other of being.
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