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Save us from what? Are you suffering from rhetoric-itis? Life is a process of equilibrium, a pendulum swing that will never stop. Shangri-La, Nervana, and Heaven are only figments of imagination; a goal to keep in mind for those who need the support to believe their life has meaning beyond their own understanding.
The rise and fall of economic market success is based on global scales that involve intricacies that few people can understand, not what Fox News or the local anchor-people spew out. We will see China's farmers become "industrialized" over the next few decades, and then markets will return because of the added consumerism. More than likely there will then be another slowdown unless some technological breakthrough, like the PC and the Internet, allow for the existing world market to make room for. Then in another thirty years our children will see the African continent forced to become the next market expansion. In the mean time we will all continue to live our lives much in the same way we always have. It is my hope that the U.S. does not go the way of the Roman Empire, but we don't really claim an empire in the way the British did. We certainly may become more toothless like our allies in Europe, but that may be a good thing - time will tell.
I also don't see a future of separation the way Ireland encountered because religion is too diverse in this country. We do have a natural separation between ignorance and intelligence. Unfortunately, many conservative Christians cannot accept the reality of their antiquated religiosity, and they cling together for support, which gives them political strength. Now, I may be sad for this fact, but this is the way things must be. Those who can embrace the future, build the future, and live beyond their fingertips must continue to set a good example for those who have not yet made up their minds, and who need a good direction from positive, moral and ethical leaders.
The future will come, and it will have change connected to it. I just wonder how long it will take before this change is represented by real progress, and not a rehashing of historical mistakes with the Emperor's New Clothes draped over them. It doesn't even make me sad to think that I won't be around to see any real, positive change. But I try to do my best everyday to help bring progress, and the idea of Heaven, into my normal, everyday life.
Wow. I mean, really, wow. I knew that education was slipping in this country, but wow. The country is weakened, because we have become a nation of illiterates who think that Googling is a substitute for learning. And then they wonder why they can't find jobs.
If you want enlightenment, go Google it. Or take a grade school course in American History. On a scale of 1 to 10, this is about a 1.
This is suppolsed to be debate forum. If you have anything to say, say it, and if you are challenged, present a link to support your position.
It is up to you to present a link showing that some recognized authority expressed the position that you said they did. Particularly one that directly contradicts what you asserted in your very next paragraph.
There are other forums in which you may make all the ad hominem remarks you wish about other posters, but that is a violation of the guidelines of this forum.
I did take a grade school course in US history. I learned that Washington cut down a cherry tree and apologized for it. Is that your standard of objective, substantiated history?
This is suppolsed to be debate forum. If you have anything to say, say it, and if you are challenged, present a link to support your position. It is up to you to present a link showing that some recognized authority expressed the position that you said they did.
I did take a grade school course in US history. I learned that Washington cut down a cherry tree and apologized for it. Is that your standard of objective, substantiated history?
Actually, no. George Washington cutting down a cherry tree is not substantiated.
In fact, Washington's biographer, Mason Weems, wrote a book called "The Life of Washington" shortly after his death where he created this myth as a way to show Washington's honesty.
To return to the OT, my opinion is NO, an America this polarized cannot come together and does not even seem to want to. We are divided by class, politics, economics, race and ideology. The generations are even fighting and resentfully finger pointing. Call it Rich America, Poor America; Liberal America, Conservative America; Capitalist America, Socialist America; Young America, Old America; Slacker America, Boomer America; Complacent America, Disgruntled America, the net net is the same: Americans do not want or value the same things and are no longer guided by a common vision. All Great Empires fall, and by history's standards, almost 250 years has been a good run.
I could go on and on with the links, but why debate what can be substantiated? The sun is already rising in the East, and the polarization of America is hastening its ascent. That last sentence is JMO, so I can’t Google you up a link for it. Sorry.
If the first words out of someone's mouth are that is a liberal blah, blah, blah then I have no use for it. I may as well turn the tv to Faux News.
That is idiocy not division. That is someone who spends there time listening to talk radio shows and does not have the capacity to think for themselves. They just repeat what they have heard.
I have heard that go the other way as well.
Oddly enough, it has become this mantra and people aren't really wanting to figure out solutions or discuss anything. They just want to hear themselves talk.
The problem with switching them off is that way you'll never be heard. Some are so blind they won't ever see that there are other points of view to respect out there. Some are sheep and will always be but even sheep can wake up. The problem is that when someone comes out spewing liberal or conservative you don't know. Leave out the emotion. Ask questions. Listen even. How do you expect somone to listen to you if you won't listen to them? The point is that we don't have to agree but we need to really hear each other and what beyond the words is being said.
A lot of people are scared. On the right and the left and in the middle. That it isn't working is evident and we ALL know that isn't a good thing. A lot of that fear turns into anger at "them". But we are all here in this together and we can't shut out anyone.
Maybe we should talk about values and priorities too, since that is part and parcel of politics and political views. WITHOUT recrimination. We don't have to be the same, believe the same, or have the same priorities. But we do have to acknowledge that. We need to dump the labels and see individuals with individual thoughts instead.
If we can relearn to *discuss* rather than rant, and to substitute logic and reason and just plain thought over emotion we will be a whole lot better off.
To return to the OT, my opinion is NO, an America this polarized cannot come together and does not even seem to want to. We are divided by class, politics, economics, race and ideology. The generations are even fighting and resentfully finger pointing. Call it Rich America, Poor America; Liberal America, Conservative America; Capitalist America, Socialist America; Young America, Old America; Slacker America, Boomer America; Complacent America, Disgruntled America, the net net is the same: Americans do not want or value the same things and are no longer guided by a common vision. All Great Empires fall, and by history's standards, almost 250 years has been a good run.
I could go on and on with the links, but why debate what can be substantiated? The sun is already rising in the East, and the polarization of America is hastening its ascent. That last sentence is JMO, so I can’t Google you up a link for it. Sorry.
I used my 'find' function and searched your links for that quote, and it doesn't seem to be there. Just find it, and cut/past the paragraph where it is attributed to some well-known thinker.
I think your quote is in the cherry tree category of myths.
Then explain why we are failing for lack of checks and balances, but we are weakened if we have people iwho disagree with the mainstream. Why won't you answer that question, instead of posting a link to the entire history of the Greek, Roman and Muslim civilizations?
See, this is exactly what I was talking about in the last post. You have one side claming that Fox news is biased. You have the other side claiming that CNN is biased. What does that tell you? Think... think... real hard! Ahhhh, YES. There it is. That's it! It says YOU are biased. All of us are.
As far as Rush Limbaugh, I don't see what the big deal is. Why so much hate? His show is not professed to be news. He is a political commentator/entertainer with an opinion. You all have heard of opinions, right? If you don't agree with his opinion turn the damn radio off. Is that so hard? That's what I do. Why go on and on and on about what a fool he is. You do realize that when you do this, you only add to his ratings? So who's the fool?
I used to hate Captain Kangaroo when I was a kid. I turned it off and didn’t watch the show. I was five years old. I learned that lesson at five; how long will it take you learn it?
Thing is, ALL news is biased. Some of it is very overt, some very hidden. Everytime you hear the "news" including blogs, remember that somewhere inside the head or corporation there is a point of view its judged against. You can project a very different picture depending on what that is.
Someone mentioned CNN. I watch it since I get it for stuff when history or discovery fails me, but while they raise very little contriversy, they have a pov just as much as Fox or Limbaugh. So question WHY its said. And do listen to different points of view and use your OWN mind to see what is real without assuming an agenda.
And we all need to remember that we will not have, and nor with they, everything we want. Never So we can keep calling people names and get nowhere or recognize reality and maybe learn that somewhere there is a solution even if its will never be perfect. (and this also especially includes politicians)
It seems as though we are now a country divided against each other, I have wondered if there is any hope of reconciliation between those on the liberal side and those on the conservative side.
I think we appear to be the dis-united states in the minds of many foreigner's. I just want to add that, a lot of us are certainly old enough now to see the little difference the two parties platforms have on our everyday life, why all the bickering? Will either party save us now?
Its only a return to God, that this Nation will be united with one another. It started out a strong Christian nation where people desired the things of God including his moral laws for a civil society ; until God is welcomed back in there will be all kinds of division, incivility, immorality, corruption, greed, crime, and great self centeredness putting SELF on the throne instead of Gods rightful place. Our founding Fathers would be very very disgusted with how America turned out because it was meant to be a nation that honors the Creator and dependant on him.
Its only a return to God, that this Nation will be united with one another. It started out a strong Christian nation where people desired the things of God including his moral laws for a civil society ; until God is welcomed back in there will be all kinds of division, incivility, immorality, corruption, greed, crime, and great self centeredness putting SELF on the throne instead of Gods rightful place. Our founding Fathers would be very very disgusted with how America turned out because it was meant to be a nation that honors the Creator and dependant on him.
You mean like Peru, a strong Christian nation? Everybody, united, devoutly worships your god,
I thought we had a Constitution that seems to suggest that we don't have a throne for God to sit on. What you;re calling for is an Establishment of Religion. The founders had a reason for doing that. To keep people like you and Fred Phelps from forcing everybody else to bow down to your false god.
Its only a return to God, that this Nation will be united with one another. It started out a strong Christian nation where people desired the things of God including his moral laws for a civil society ; until God is welcomed back in there will be all kinds of division, incivility, immorality, corruption, greed, crime, and great self centeredness putting SELF on the throne instead of Gods rightful place. Our founding Fathers would be very very disgusted with how America turned out because it was meant to be a nation that honors the Creator and dependant on him.
Excellent observation and post!
I tried to rep you but C-D wouldn't allow it for some reason.
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really good post. you got rep.
