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Well, men have been objectified as grunt objects, to do the heavy lifting. How come that's not degrading?
Selling yourself for sex is just that, selling yourself. The object is the person. I do not believe men have been objectified as heavy lifters. There are many ways to get an object from point A to point B. A man can accomplish this in many ways, which need not require brawn, and is only inhibited by his imagination.
Selling yourself for sex is just that, selling yourself. The object is the person. I do not believe men have been objectified as heavy lifters. There are many ways to get an object from point A to point B. A man can accomplish this in many ways, which need not require brawn, and is only inhibited by his imagination.
How do you feel about the Male Prostitutes? And, there are a lot of them.
Do you object to Males being prostitutes as strongly as you seem to object to women?
Who here would not mind if their.....Mother, sister, daughter, neice, etc ended up being a prostitute?
Once its legal, there will be a sorted effort to "imply" to women who might be down on their luck, to get on their knees. Is this what we want?
I personally think prostitution is ultra degrading to women, as a whole. Yes, I understand some women might enjoy the line of work and the perception of easy money. But as someone who has dear family in law related fields, I can tell you not a single woman out there, who sells herself for money who was not herself abused, has serious addiction problems, or deep seeded psychological issues, or all of the above. We need to assist women who have gotten caught up in this lifestyle with a way out rather then both throwing them in jail, furthering their demise, but also keeping it illegal and having society accept all the ills that come with it.
Anywhere there is prostitution, legal or otherwise, organized crime is always lurking close by.
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I really understand this point of view. Yet, I think the current system is an utter failure. We've spent millions of dollars over the years on police vice squads, sting operations directed against prostitutes, jail space, court time, probation officer time, etc. Yet, what do we have to show for all that? I think a whole lot of nothing. Prostitutes walk the streets of not only major cities, but many minor ones as well.
In Nevada, as has been mentioned, there is a legal brothel system in many counties. Prostitutes are checked for STDs. Any brothel owner abusing a prostitute would have his license revoked. Customers are protected from being robbed or having unsafe sex. Underage women are not allowed to work there. Prostitutes are not allowed to walk the streets and publicly solicit customers and the activities are carried out away from schools and locations near main areas of town. Some have pointed out that this hasn't stopped all the abuses inherent in prostitution and some people continue the trade illegally. Perhaps so, I think this system offers us the best opportunity to control or limit as many of these abuses as possible.
You aren't offering any real solution other than offering counseling to women who are exploited. The problem is that not all these women feel "exploited". There are women who see this as a better means of earning a living than working as a waitress, a cashier, or in another unskilled position at low wages. Stephen Levitt's recent book "Superfreakonomics" illustrates that prostitution is not as grim for some as it might seem.
This is an interesting debate and I could be overlooking some things. The only complaint I have is when the churches and social conservatives get involved and want the whole thing to stay the way it is simply because they claim its "immoral".
And that is the stumbling block right there. Their money and power influences the decisions of politicians of both parties.
A lot of men in our culture fall all over themselves over the little girl in the Catholic school uniform (for example). Sexualizing children is well accepted, so why ask what child prostitution has to do with prostitution.
Child abuse in any form has nothing to do with prostitution, just like child porn has nothing to do with legal pornography.
I have deep compassion for anybody desperate enough to sell their bodies, their insides, because of limited choices and disparity.
Lolita porn and prostitution is thriving. These are the preferances of many. It's no secret. I fail to see the line in the sand here.
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So you are saying that if you watch adult pornography you by default also support child pornography (or prostitution)?
Thats like saying that if an adult drinks alcohol he is by default supporting youth alcoholism. That's the kind of illogical thinking these "moralist" people have.
So you are saying that if you watch adult pornography you by default also support child pornography (or prostitution)?
I'm simply referring to the fact of the populairty of Lolita porn and prostitution. Where you find porn, you will find Lolita porn or simulated Lolita porn. I'm not sure if generally watching porn supports Lolita porn. Tho, there may be an argument there.
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Thats like saying that if an adult drinks alcohol he is by default supporting youth alcoholism. That's the kind of illogical thinking these "moralist" people have.
The only kind of thinking I'm seeing here is your emotionalism. Whatever responsibility you may or may not be feeling over your interests in porn do not negate the demand of child sexualization. It's very much a part of our culture.
I'm simply referring to the fact of the populairty of Lolita porn and prostitution. Where you find porn, you will find Lolita porn or simulated Lolita porn. I'm not sure if generally watching porn supports Lolita porn. Tho, there may be an argument there.
The only kind of thinking I'm seeing here is your emotionalism. Whatever responsibility you may or may not be feeling over your interests in porn do not negate the demand of child sexualization. It's very much a part of our culture.
What you are talking about is a non issue in this discussion. The point is, sexual exploitation of children is illegal and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, and adults who partake in sexual activities with consenting adults have nothing to do with that.
What you are talking about is a non issue in this discussion. The point is, sexual exploitation of children is illegal and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, and adults who partake in sexual activities with consenting adults have nothing to do with that.
It's not a non-issue, otherwise it wouldn't be an issue. But, I don't know if the desire to purchase sex is responsible, or at least not entirely.
About 15...maybe 20 years ago now, I had a bf that did the over night shift at an adult book store (way before the privacy of the internet). I spent a lot of time with him during those over night shifts and it was a quite the experience. I got to know the clientele, which spanned from old guys wanting to whack off in their booths to transexual prostitutes, the store owners (and movie makers). The buyers and sellers of sex, all in all, are a bizarre bunch. Lolita sex (pedophilia) was just as popular then as I imagine it is now. It's immersed in the heart of the industry.
I'm not saying that voyeurs should be held responsibile for anything, but I fail to see the merit in refusing the acknowledgement of what is. I'll take this one step further by suggesting that those who do support the buying and selling of sex should become proactively involved in setting up fail safes to protect those that suffer in industry. Ideally, that is where regulation would come into play. Unfortunately, the data available does not support good effort.
I understand what you are saying. The thing is, I say again, as long as two consenting adults act out there fantasies, even the "lolita" ones, that is thier business. If woman over 18 dresses up as a little girl for her over 18 husband or boyfriend, that is their business. But if the guy gives her a few dollars, then it's illegal. That makes no sense to me
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