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If they are not GE seeds then couldn't you save and re-use them? Isn't that the point of the GMO seeds is that they have a stop gene so you have to buy them every year?
If they are not GE seeds then couldn't you save and re-use them? Isn't that the point of the GMO seeds is that they have a stop gene so you have to buy them every year?
Non-GMO hybrids do not grow true from seed either.
Monsanto wants to sell seeds with a "terminator" gene, which renders the seeds sterile. Very dangerous if it spreads to other plants...so far they've been blocked from selling them, though on many occasions monsanto has released seeds before legal approval...
Monsanto still ships seeds all over Europe. They have so many varieties that Generic Engineered is just part of their whole operation. Most don't even know that smaller seed producers in foreign countires that sell locally may be owned by Monsanto or their affiliates.
Oh would that be like the protest in Holland about a European seed company owned by Monsanto..?
Remember this is Europe we're talking about here, it's hardly the third world, and people are in many cases more savvy about where their food comes from and what it contains, just ask the French...
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Just because segment of their business was realligned does not mean they still are not the main player. It is this thinkingt hat allowes them to profit. Have you ever checked the pedegree of some of the natural seeds people purchase? After clearing away the holding companies, don't be surprised if Monsanto isn't holding the end of that rope.
No Monsanto withdrew from the cereal seed market, it's name in Europe for seeds is tarnished beyond black. Farmers will not buy seed directly from Monsanto PERIOD, for fear of growing GM contaminated crops (which has happened, as in Ireland). You are aware that GM crops are not certified human consumption safe in Europe...?
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haiti may have a PR campaign aginst the GMO seeds but let me tell you for a fact, they are being sold and in use in Haiti. Follow the supply chain back through a couple of other countries and you have Monsanto Kentuky as the original shipper. Just like the tainted honey made its way around the world through diferent companies and Country of origin labels, but in the end, it was the tainted asian honey regardless of how packaged or where purcahsed. This is big money, don't think for a moment farmers aren't finding ways to get it.
Ok provide your evidence, otherwise you're just blowing smoke.
I'm sure there is some Monsanto seed (in small quantities) in Haiti, also in pretty much every country in the world, it doesn't mean that it's bought and paid for or that Monsanto themselves are making inroads into those markets. I'm not sure what you mean that it's big money, for farmers...? No, most studies (Kansas, Nebraska, etc.) have found that with the exception of corn the actual yields of GM crops are actually lower than state of the art non-GM crops (citation) by between 6% and 10%. Monsanto has been trying to shrug this off as yield lag, but it's wearing thin after 15+ years of GM availability. Big money for Monsanto? Well if you consider that a 42% fall in stock price since the beginning of the year, and almost $100 lower than it's historical high; is big money, then I have a bridge to sell you.
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instead of polluting (ha) lots of threads where this might be relevant, I figured Monsanto deserved its own conversation.
...The latest blow came last week, when early returns from this year’s harvest showed that Monsanto’s newest product, SmartStax corn, which contains eight inserted genes, was providing yields no higher than the company’s less expensive corn, which contains only three foreign genes. Monsanto has already been forced to sharply cut prices on SmartStax and on its newest soybean seeds, called Roundup Ready 2 Yield, as sales fell below projections.
But there is more. Sales of Monsanto’s Roundup, the widely used herbicide, has collapsed this year under an onslaught of low-priced generics made in China. Weeds are growing resistant to Roundup, dimming the future of the entire Roundup Ready crop franchise. And the Justice Department is investigating Monsanto for possible antitrust violations.
Until now, Monsanto’s main challenge has come from opponents of genetically modified crops, who have slowed their adoption in Europe and some other regions. Now, however, the skeptics also include farmers and investors who were once in Monsanto’s camp.
Seems our worse case scenario is beginning to happen. Since ROUND UP is becoming ineffective in killing the weeds, which in turn makes the GMO look a whole lot less profitable, new and more powerful herbicides are being created. Which will result in more and deadly herbicides being introduced into the food chain.
The enemy grows among us, and it's spreading. Worse, its powers stand to increase.
Invading legions of superweeds have taken root in our fields. In California, growers battle at least 24 different types of herbicide resistant weeds, in nearly 2,000 sites across more than 200,000 acres. Idaho weed scientists report infestations across 240,000 acres. Around the U.S. the number of acres infested with weeds resistant to a single herbicide, glyphosate, totals 14 million. These plants, which once withered away with an application of glyphosate, known commercially as Roundup, now laugh in the chemical's face and sprout bravely on.
Eventually the human body will either become a toxic dumping ground and adapt to the 2,4-D or the life expectancy will begin to drop dramatically while GMOs continue to be a major reason why our environment and health are destroyed.
Seems our worse case scenario is beginning to happen. Since ROUND UP is becoming ineffective in killing the weeds, which in turn makes the GMO look a whole lot less profitable, new and more powerful herbicides are being created. Which will result in more and deadly herbicides being introduced into the food chain.
The enemy grows among us, and it's spreading. Worse, its powers stand to increase.
Invading legions of superweeds have taken root in our fields. In California, growers battle at least 24 different types of herbicide resistant weeds, in nearly 2,000 sites across more than 200,000 acres. Idaho weed scientists report infestations across 240,000 acres. Around the U.S. the number of acres infested with weeds resistant to a single herbicide, glyphosate, totals 14 million. These plants, which once withered away with an application of glyphosate, known commercially as Roundup, now laugh in the chemical's face and sprout bravely on.
Eventually the human body will either become a toxic dumping ground and adapt to the 2,4-D or the life expectancy will begin to drop dramatically while GMOs continue to be a major reason why our environment and health are destroyed.
When Prince Charles claimed thousands of Indian farmers were killing themselves after using GM crops, he was branded a scaremonger. In fact, as this chilling dispatch reveals, it's even WORSE than he feared.
So some corporations are focused solely on PROFIT, and it seems at any cost. Though we have yet to fully comprehend the end results of super weeds and what this will ultimately mean for our society, in INDIA people are coming to terms with Bt cotton.
Yet another example of how corporations have no concern for humanity or community. India adopted and sanctioned the use of Bt cotton on a national basis. Though the terms of these agreements are ever officially recorded, it is widely believed that officials within the government were convinced via "incentives" to support the Bt crop.
Now the farmers are realizing total and absolute loss of their crops, lifestyle and health. The highly promoted Bt cotton has proven to be susceptible to bugs--- Far from being 'magic seeds', GM pest-proof 'breeds' of cotton have been devastated by bollworms, a voracious parasite. ---that are impervious to the mutated crops containing glyphosate.
The Bt cotton also requires excessive amounts of water to reduce the build up of glyphosates.
Farming with Bt cotton, like it is with almost every GMO crop is a break even proposition for the farmer--if they are lucky.
Most have to borrow large sums of money EVERY year to purchase the seed and herbicides REQUIRED by the corporations. When something goes wrong, such as the bollworms in India, the farmer is BANKRUPT and typically this is something they will never recover from. If they barely broke even in a good year, after lsoing everything to bollworms, they are now indebted to thes corporations for TWICE the amount should they return to farm the following year.
There is no INSURANCE or GUARANTEES provided by these corporations that their MUTATED seeds will yield any PROFIT for the farmer. The arrangement has PROFITS flowing is strictly one way -------> TO THE CORPORATIONS who have created a wall of immunity from prosecution and accountability.
The GM genocide: Thousands of Indian farmers are committing suicide after using genetically modified crops
When Prince Charles claimed thousands of Indian farmers were killing themselves after using GM crops, he was branded a scaremonger. In fact, as this chilling dispatch reveals, it's even WORSE than he feared.
So some corporations are focused solely on PROFIT, and it seems at any cost. Though we have yet to fully comprehend the end results of super weeds and what this will ultimately mean for our society, in INDIA people are coming to terms with Bt cotton.
Yet another example of how corporations have no concern for humanity or community. India adopted and sanctioned the use of Bt cotton on a national basis. Though the terms of these agreements are ever officially recorded, it is widely believed that officials within the government were convinced via "incentives" to support the Bt crop.
Now the farmers are realizing total and absolute loss of their crops, lifestyle and health. The highly promoted Bt cotton has proven to be susceptible to bugs--- Far from being 'magic seeds', GM pest-proof 'breeds' of cotton have been devastated by bollworms, a voracious parasite. ---that are impervious to the mutated crops containing glyphosate.
The Bt cotton also requires excessive amounts of water to reduce the build up of glyphosates.
Farming with Bt cotton, like it is with almost every GMO crop is a break even proposition for the farmer--if they are lucky.
Most have to borrow large sums of money EVERY year to purchase the seed and herbicides REQUIRED by the corporations. When something goes wrong, such as the bollworms in India, the farmer is BANKRUPT and typically this is something they will never recover from. If they barely broke even in a good year, after lsoing everything to bollworms, they are now indebted to thes corporations for TWICE the amount should they return to farm the following year.
There is no INSURANCE or GUARANTEES provided by these corporations that their MUTATED seeds will yield any PROFIT for the farmer. The arrangement has PROFITS flowing is strictly one way -------> TO THE CORPORATIONS who have created a wall of immunity from prosecution and accountability.
The GM genocide: Thousands of Indian farmers are committing suicide after using genetically modified crops
A major new scientific study has confirmed growing conviction that the world’s most widely used chemical herbicide, Monsanto Corporation’s Roundup is toxic and a danger to human as well as animal organisms. The latest scientific research carried out by a multinational scientific team headed by Professor Andrés Carrasco, head of the Laboratory of Molecular Embryology at the University of Buenos Aires Medical School and member of Argentina’s National Council of Scientific and Technical Research, presents alarming demonstration that Monsanto and the GMO agribusiness industry have systematically lied about the safety of their Roundup. Roundup in far lower concentrations than used in agriculture is linked to birth defects. The health implications are huge. All major GMO crops on the market today are genetically manipulated to “tolerate” the herbicide Roundup.
A major new scientific study has confirmed growing conviction that the world’s most widely used chemical herbicide, Monsanto Corporation’s Roundup is toxic and a danger to human as well as animal organisms. The latest scientific research carried out by a multinational scientific team headed by Professor Andrés Carrasco, head of the Laboratory of Molecular Embryology at the University of Buenos Aires Medical School and member of Argentina’s National Council of Scientific and Technical Research, presents alarming demonstration that Monsanto and the GMO agribusiness industry have systematically lied about the safety of their Roundup. Roundup in far lower concentrations than used in agriculture is linked to birth defects. The health implications are huge. All major GMO crops on the market today are genetically manipulated to “tolerate” the herbicide Roundup.
uh, you realize that the paganelli paper has been systematically destroyed, right?
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Multiple high quality toxicological studies and expert review panels consistently agree glyphosate is not a teratogen or reproductive toxicant: The GLP studies that Paganelli et al. infer as untrustworthy “industry-funded studies” have been exhaustively reviewed by multiple government scientific regulators, often comprising academic expert scientists and all of which have strongly supported the conclusions put forth in those studies. Glyphosate does not cause adverse reproductive effects in adult animals or birth defects in offspring of these adults exposed to glyphosate, even at very high doses. These conclusions are based on multiple studies in laboratory animals that have been conducted to examine the potential for multigenerational and teratogenic effects. These studies have been repeated by different companies at different laboratories across the globe over the last 30 or more years, with consistent results demonstrating that glyphosate does not pose the concerns raised by the authors. Regulatory authorities and independent experts who have documented this position include WHO/FAO,(1) U.S. EPA,(2) the European Commission,(3) and Williams et al.(4) An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie
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The genotoxic potential of glyphosate has been extensively tested in a wide range of assays both in
vitro and in vivo, including end-points for gene mutation, chromosomal damage and DNA repair. Negative
results were obtained in studies performed in compliance with current test guidelines. The Meeting concluded
that glyphosate is unlikely to be genotoxic. In view of the absence of a carcinogenic potential in animals and the lack of genotoxicity in standard
tests, the Meeting concluded that glyphosate is unlikely to pose a carcinogenic risk to humans.http://www.fao.org/ag/agp/agpp/Pesti...rt2004jmpr.pdf
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A Gene mutation assay in an Ames Test was conducted
using glyphosate, both with and without metabolic activation. The
strains of Salmonella typhimurium used were TA98, TA100,
TA1535 and TA1537. No increases in reverse mutations were
observed at any concentration. (MRID 00078620)
A gene mutation assay in mammalian cells was conducted
using glyphosate in the Chinese hamster ovary (CHO)
cells/hypoxanthine - guanine -phosphoribosyl transferase (HGPRT)
assay, with and without metabolic activation. No mutagenic
response was observed either with or without metabolic activation
up to the limit of cytotoxicity (10 mg/Ml). (MRID 00132681)
A Structural Chromosomal Aberration Assay was conducted
using a single dose of glyphosate administered intraperitoneally
(i.p.) to male and female Sprague-Dawley rats. The dose used was
1 g/kg of body weight and the bone marrow cells were examined for
clastogenic (chromosome-damaging) effect. No significant
clastogenic effects were observed. (MRID 00132683)
In a fourth study, glyphosate was tested in two assays: the
rec-assay using B. subtilis H17 (rec+) and M45 (rec-); and the
reverse mutation assays using E. coli WP2 hcr and Salmonella
typhimurium strains TA98, TA100, TA1535, TA1537 and TA1538,
with and without metabolic activation. No increases in mutations
were observed in either study. (MRID 00078619) http://www.epa.gov/oppsrrd1/REDs/old...glyphosate.pdf
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