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Old 02-20-2013, 04:48 AM
 
Location: Central CT, sometimes NH.
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Peugeot-Citroen debuts hybrid air car at Geneva Auto Show. Reported to get over 100 mpg. Cool!

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Old 02-20-2013, 06:11 AM
 
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81 MPG using the more lenient European test cycle...

Not too shabby and a hell of a lot cheaper than electric cars...

And with a top speed of 46 MPH perfect for those tiny EU countries.....

PSA Peugeot Citroen Develops Hybrid That Ditches Battery For Compressed Air

Citroen bringing hybrid air powertrian to Geneva in C3 VTi 82

This is what's needed, more imaginative idea's on vehicle power other than the SOS of a century old technology that's a dead end.
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Old 02-20-2013, 08:45 AM
 
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81 MPG using the more lenient European test cycle...

Not too shabby and a hell of a lot cheaper than electric cars...

And with a top speed of 46 MPH perfect for those tiny EU countries.....

PSA Peugeot Citroen Develops Hybrid That Ditches Battery For Compressed Air

Citroen bringing hybrid air powertrian to Geneva in C3 VTi 82

This is what's needed, more imaginative idea's on vehicle power other than the SOS of a century old technology that's a dead end.
The gas engine kicks in at 43 mph. Under that speed it runs on air or combo depending on load.
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Old 02-21-2013, 09:48 PM
 
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The gas engine kicks in at 43 mph. Under that speed it runs on air or combo depending on load.
I really would like to see more imaginative concepts of transportation like this than what we've seen so far in the world.....

I must be senile but I remember back during the first gasoline shortage in the 70's weren't there cars getting 50-60 MPG?

And isn't the reason we don't see EU diesel engined vehicles here is the EPA saying they are too polluting?

Good enough for the EU but not good enough for America, what a crock......
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Central CT, sometimes NH.
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I really would like to see more imaginative concepts of transportation like this than what we've seen so far in the world.....

I must be senile but I remember back during the first gasoline shortage in the 70's weren't there cars getting 50-60 MPG?

And isn't the reason we don't see EU diesel engined vehicles here is the EPA saying they are too polluting?

Good enough for the EU but not good enough for America, what a crock......
Here's a report to Congress talking about the issue.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42666.pdf
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Old 02-22-2013, 04:21 PM
 
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Here's a report to Congress talking about the issue.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42666.pdf
Thanks, confirms what I posted earlier....
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Old 02-24-2013, 02:26 PM
 
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I must be senile but I remember back during the first gasoline shortage in the 70's weren't there cars getting 50-60 MPG?

......
Yes, I had a Honda Civic that got 53 miles per gallon and that was even when fully loaded with 2 adults, 5 German Shepherd dogs, and 4 weeks worth of camping gear. It could scoot like a scalded cat and still got 50 MPG driving at 80 mph, fully loaded. All ths gas mileage stuff in the USA appears to be going in the wrong direction.

Got over 300,000 miles out of that car with routine maintenance and no repairs.
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Old 02-26-2013, 06:28 PM
 
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Many of the car mfg in the 90s offered cars that got 40 mpg+. The claim is that now cars require more air bags and are larger/heavier. Still I agree with you the mpg has dropped compared to the days of the old Civic HX, Mazda GLC, and Toyota Corolla to name a few.
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Old 03-15-2013, 04:59 AM
 
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Really?!

(I had a Civic, too, I think a late 70s model. That was my third car, after the Simca and the Cadillac).
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Old 03-15-2013, 05:00 AM
 
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The Germans have the rep for 'engineering, but Citroen also sort of has a legacy or history of doing technical innovations in their cars. I think their Traction Avant from back in the 1950s/60s was the first production car to have disc brakes.
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