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Old 04-12-2016, 06:05 PM
 
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Well then natural medicine doesn't heal either.


Or you personally wouldn't be taking it for decades.
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Old 04-13-2016, 12:15 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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What I take manages/controls the OA I live with, and no side effects. A pharma anti inflammatory put me in the ER with a stomach ulcer back in the 80's.. I can say my allergy/sinus issues are healed, have not taken a drug for these in going on 21 yrs. It's all management and no side effects. And the other supps I take are to put back into my aging body what declines/depletes with age. I started on my supplement path after menopause in my early 50's...I'll be 78 and now deal with the mess of hip replacement.

I check in on a hip replacement group and today a new member came in and talking about a revision she now has to have and infection setting in.

I didn't know any older people who elected these replacements years back ... they did their limping and I do too with a replacement....
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Old 04-13-2016, 05:42 AM
 
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It's been around a long time and used with some allopathic medicine if needed. Many D.O.'s lean to holistic healing which where I LEAN. If I had a broken bone I would get it fixed, but otherwise I work to prevent as much damage as I can on my own. No cures for 60+ yrs of osteoarthritis that's for sure. My sister is dying after mega years of high priced drugs for MS. Her specialists told her these drugs would slow down the progression. She trusted and believed in them...too too many drugs. Early on she came to CA to sit with a nutritionist who dealt with MS, but sadly my sister listed to the MD's and not the nutritionist ... I see it all as I went thru a lot of her journey with her, but she trusted the drugs. Some do amazingly good with minimal drugs and vital nutrition and supplements for their MS. Montel Williams come to mind. He seems to be doing very good. I am angry that I've lost my sister and know she was eating way too much sugar/carbs and often wonder if her MD's talked about nutrition.

We have to do so much for ourselves to heal ourselves as best we can and manage/control our issues.
Osteopathic medicine has been around for just over 100 years...not so long

Allopathic medicine can't cure all, neither can osteopathic medicine, "naturopathic medicine", homeopathy, acupuncture or nutrition

There IS NO cure for arthritis.....naturopaths and dietitians certainly can't cure it either.

Allopathic medicine offers the HOPE of a cure someday as amazing progress is being made on cartilage regeneration....lets see naturopaths top THAT

MS can't be cured by diet, nutrition, herbs or any other mumbo jumbo....

The drugs currently available for MS offer far more hope to patients than any "diet" and they can and do slow the progression of the disease in many people...sugar and carbs don't cause MS and avoiding them won't cure the disease

AS for Montel Williams

"He also credits a drug used to fight MS called glatiramer acetate (Copaxone) with keeping him ready for the rigors of the gym. "Unequivocally, Copaxone has been what has kept me running, along with some other things that I do. This drug has kept me going to the gym every day."

USATODAY.com - Montel Williams fights MS with fitness
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Old 04-13-2016, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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So much talk about cure here, I'm not talking cure. I'm talking control/management.

As I see it allopathic doesn't want any cures.

Allergy/sinus issues I deal with are closest to cures I've seen in my long life. Yeah, I still blow my nose on occasion, but take NO DRUGS for allergy/sinus I HAD years before 1995.

Avoiding and reducing carbs/sugars has a lot to do with controlling MS. My sister has been pumped full of so so many drugs over the last 15 yrs. Just wonder if her docs ever did any preaching to her on nutrition and cutting back on sugars...she admitted to me that she was a sugarholic. I recall so much of that behavior in her .. I know about Montel's story.
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Old 04-13-2016, 10:59 AM
 
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This thread is supposed to be about doctors these days. If you're not discussing doctors, start a new thread please. Maybe people need to be posting under The cure for all diseases.
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Old 04-13-2016, 11:25 AM
 
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Osteopathic medicine has not been around longer than allopathic medicine, it was an offshoot of allopathic medicine during the 19th century

For all intents and purposes DO's and MD's practice "identically" today and there is little to no difference in their training particularly when it comes to residency

As for your ill informed opinion that allopathic medicine "does not heal" I just wish you and your kind would stick to your guns, put your money where your mouth is...meaning if you think you are having a heart attack, a stroke, meningitis, a bacterial infection, a broken bone....stay home....treat it with your "supps" as you call them...go all in....you know so much more than "todays younger generation of docs".....prove it...live it...
I had a friend who did this.

She "lived it," and died of ovarian cancer in agony because her natural remedies did nothing for it. She was divorced from her husband and lived in a different country. She left behind two primary school children and an adolescent.
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Old 04-13-2016, 11:35 AM
 
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My grandkids dad did all the allopathic drugs for cancer and died in 6 months. He left behind 2 teenagers.
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Old 04-13-2016, 12:01 PM
 
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As I see it allopathic doesn't want any cures.

Of course my doctor's want cures for me. What an odd thing to say.

If you run across bad doctors, get different ones.
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Old 04-13-2016, 12:27 PM
 
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I haven't run into much difference in conventional MD's. They from my experiences and other loved one's love to write scripts and rake in the profits. The more scripts the more profits. It's become this in today's medicine. One ortho MD I saw for my knee years ago actually sold glucosamine at his office. All the integrative MD's I've been to in the last 15 yrs or so all sell supplements in their offices...write very few scripts. My very first visit to an integrative MD actually had a supplement phamacy room stocked with supps for his patients.

My daughter had her first visit with D.O. yesterday and I'll report on her thoughts later. It was all positive so far.
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Old 04-13-2016, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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I haven't run into much difference in conventional MD's. They from my experiences and other loved one's love to write scripts and rake in the profits. The more scripts the more profits. It's become this in today's medicine. One ortho MD I saw for my knee years ago actually sold glucosamine at his office. All the integrative MD's I've been to in the last 15 yrs or so all sell supplements in their offices...write very few scripts. My very first visit to an integrative MD actually had a supplement phamacy room stocked with supps for his patients.

My daughter had her first visit with D.O. yesterday and I'll report on her thoughts later. It was all positive so far.
The doctors who write prescriptions do not make any money off of them. Your fee for the office visit will be the same whether you walk out with a prescription or not, and the drug company will not pay the doctor a penny for writing a prescription.

The ones who sell supplements do, however, make money off of them, and they will be happy to have you pay hundreds of dollars a month for them.

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As I see it allopathic doesn't want any cures.
This is a common allegation of the alt med community and it is pure BS.

Allopathic physicians would be happy to find cures for every human ailment. Everything from infections to cancer can now potentially be cured, not always, but often.

Urinary infections: cured.
Throat infections: cured.
Pneumonia: cured.
Meningitis: cured.
Sickle cell anemia: cured with stem cell transplant.
Testicular cancer: cured.
Cervical cancer: cured.
Breast cancer: cured.
Colon cancer: cured.
Acute lymphocytic leukemia in children: cured.

In addition, vaccines can totally prevent infectious diseases that can make people extremely sick with significant risk of morbididty and mortality.

Your supplements do not cure anything unless they replace a true dietary deficiency.

Please stop saying allopathic medicine is not interested in cures. It is not true.

By the way, up to half of people with allergic rhinitis have it go away over time with no treatment at all. Your supplements may have nothing to do with your nose getting better.

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