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One thing many people ar not aware of was that Hitlers's mother was Jewish
Swing and a miss. The story was that Hitler's grandfather, not his mother, was of Jewish descent. The only problem is that who Hitler's grandfather actually was, has never been determined so it can't be said with certainty whether he was Jewish or not.
The allegation that Hitler had a Jewish grandfather gained widespread attention after Hans Frank, former Nazi Party attorney and Governor-General of Poland, made the claim during the Nuremberg Trials. Frank claimed that he undertook an investigation in 1930 and discovered that Hitler's grandmother, Maria Shickelgruber, at one time resided in the town of Graz and was employed by a Jewish family named Frankenberger. Frank stated he believed the Frankenberger's nineteen year old son was the father of Hitler's father, Alois.
However, historians, and even Simon Wiesenthal himself, investigated Frank's story and uncovered some interesting facts. To start, they could find no evidence that Maria Schickelgruber had ever lived in or even visited Graz. Further digging revealed no record of a Jewish family named Frankenberger having ever resided in Graz either. Now some might say such documentation was likely destroyed to cover up the truth about Hitler's Jewish lineage. Unfortunately, such an idea runs up against a historical fact that cannot be disputed; all Jews had been expelled from Graz in the 15th Century and were not allowed to return to the town again until the late 1850's. Hitler's father, Alois, was born in 1837, so just the timeline alone seems to pretty much rule out the chances of Alois Hitler being fathered by a Jew.
Keep in mind also that alleging someone was Jewish was one of the most popular means employed by people to undermine their rivals within the Nazi Party structure. Reinhard Heydrich faced similar claims of being Jewish throughout his life. Those who despised him routinely referred to him as "Jew Boy Heydrich" behind his back. Much of it seems to be related directly to Heydrich's father, Bruno, and the fact that Bruno Heydrich's real last name was "Suss". Suss was a common Jewish last name in Germany. Yet beyond the name, there was no evidence of Jewish ancestry in either of Reinhard Heydrich's parents. But the suspicion was never erased.
It is likely that many within the Nazi Party, Hitler included, had among the branches of their family tree an individual or individuals who had some Jewish blood. But claiming that Hitler had a direct blood relative who was in fact a Jew, is really nothing more than an urban legend, and a stale one at that.
I don't know about the Italians, but the Japanese viewed anyone non-Japanese as less than dirt. It was okay to rape chinese to death or torture pow's because it was not them. The Japanese might see his agenda, but firmly believed that as Japanese they would overcome it. If in some way the Axis had won, Germany would have gone after Japan or visa versa in time, since both were xenophobic and certain they were the master race. They'd inevitably come to distrust each other no matter how good the arraingement.
This was somewhat true and somewhat not true. The Japanese actually thought they could assimilate Koreans and Taiwanese into being Japanese. They did discriminate against them but also thought eventually they would "become" Japanese. The Germans also considered the British and the Scandinavians or pretty much all Western Europeans to be equal and also collaborated with some Slavs such as the Croats, the Slovaks and the Bulgarians. The Germans also collaborated with the Hungarians and Romanians but screwed over the Romanians many times in favor of the Hungarians.
Japan actually didn't really trust Germany that much and there were many within the government who opposed joining the Axis. That part of the government lost though and the pro-German faction took over later. Yamamoto was one of the more famous Japanese to actually oppose the German alliance. Germany also didn't have any intentions of going after Japan and the same for Japan. Both wanted to maintain a sphere of influence over their respective regions (continental Europe and Asia). None of these powers actually really thought they could take over the world (Japan knew it was stupid to go to war with America but did so anyways due to the severity of the oil crisis from the embargo).
[quote=goldengrain;24475940]I thought his dream was of a pure Aryan super race, ruling the world, killing off inferior races and only keeping a few of them to serve the 'lords'?
He rejected his own Germans who did not have the right gene mix. He killed Poles and only kept those who proved the most Aryan. He would have certainly done this to many Italians and God only knows what he thought about the Japanese. At least, there were parts of India, Tibet, who he thought might be pure.
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It was just Poppycock. Had he believed in all that racial hogwash, he would have to kill himself since he was Alpine with a murky background. He would have been forced to kill 80 percent of Germany and most of Nazi leaders.
Italians? Italians were above Germans since they invented the whole thing!!!
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Two things to learn from this thread:
1. No, Hitler did not want to murder everybody who was not taller than 6'2" and did not have blonde hair and light blue eyes.
2. Nations use at times absolutely ridiculous propaganda in order to discredit and vilify their enemies. As Joe Louis once remarked, he was treated better by the Nazis during his visit to Germany than he was treated by Whites in the U.S.
He also allied himself with Arabs. As well as Croatians,who are Slavic. Not to mention Hungarians and Romanians who were far from Aryan.
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Two things to learn from this thread:
1. No, Hitler did not want to murder everybody who was not taller than 6'2" and did not have blonde hair and light blue eyes.
2. Nations use at times absolutely ridiculous propaganda in order to discredit and vilify their enemies. As Joe Louis once remarked, he was treated better by the Nazis during his visit to Germany than he was treated by Whites in the U.S.
From my understanding, if you read Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler speaks highly of the Japanese people and he respected them for their culture, determination, and courage.
Hitler also considered Indians (in the words of Russell Peters, "Dot not feather, gas station not casinos) to be either Aryans or Honorary Aryans.
This is why some early Indian freedom fighters allied themselves with him and or met with him on a regular basis (e.g. Subashe Bose). Even to this day, right-wing Indians view him as a hero because he promised to free them from the British.
Same thing with Arabs (as well as Palestinians) who even sent volunteers (as did the Indians) to fight for the Axis Powers.
***One interesting thing to note which is unfortunately left out of history books is the fact that the Nazi party is known (or at least several prominent members) to "save" Jews from being deported.
Hitler's family doctor who was very well liked by his mother was saved by Hitler (hid his identity) as well as Himmler (if I'm not mistaken) who is known to have hid identities of Jewish friends or half-Jewish friends.
Their have also been accounts of party members who had Jewish blood relatives (known to high-ranking officials).
As far as the "blond hair, blue eyed" thing goes, this is far from the truth. Unfortunately, middle and high school teachers have apparently been taught to blabber this to students.
***Louis as well as Jesse Owens have commented that they were treated better by the Nazi's than Americans. Jesse Owens has even been reported as saying he received a congratulations from Hitler whereas Franklin D. Roosevelt didn't even bother to send a telegram to him.
From my understanding, if you read Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler speaks highly of the Japanese people and he respected them for their culture, determination, and courage.
Hitler also considered Indians (in the words of Russell Peters, "Dot not feather, gas station not casinos) to be either Aryans or Honorary Aryans.
This is why some early Indian freedom fighters allied themselves with him and or met with him on a regular basis (e.g. Subashe Bose). Even to this day, right-wing Indians view him as a hero because he promised to free them from the British.
Same thing with Arabs (as well as Palestinians) who even sent volunteers (as did the Indians) to fight for the Axis Powers.
***One interesting thing to note which is unfortunately left out of history books is the fact that the Nazi party is known (or at least several prominent members) to "save" Jews from being deported.
Hitler's family doctor who was very well liked by his mother was saved by Hitler (hid his identity) as well as Himmler (if I'm not mistaken) who is known to have hid identities of Jewish friends or half-Jewish friends.
Their have also been accounts of party members who had Jewish blood relatives (known to high-ranking officials).
As far as the "blond hair, blue eyed" thing goes, this is far from the truth. Unfortunately, middle and high school teachers have apparently been taught to blabber this to students.
***Louis as well as Jesse Owens have commented that they were treated better by the Nazi's than Americans. Jesse Owens has even been reported as saying he received a congratulations from Hitler whereas Franklin D. Roosevelt didn't even bother to send a telegram to him.
This was because the games were a large attractive propaganda opportunity. In reality the freedoms of German citizens were being crushed and those in opposition were finding themselves pressured or under arrest. But Hitler wanted the world to see Germany as a happy, successful place. So the Nein Juden signs dissapeared, the swastica banners, the signs which were visible. Newspapers were controlled but it didn't look like it. Shop keepers were instructed to be very respetful of all foreigners, even if they were Jews or negros. The martial music was replaced by German folk and polka, and popular international music. It was a scam.
Yes, they were treated very well. And Hitler congratulated the winners. But it didn't change that as soon as it was over the Nein Juden signs and banners reappered, the newspapers said what the party wanted and by then thousands more who were on the borderline had been imprisoned as a 'precaution' of open shows of reality and didn't get to go home.
I thought about China when they showed the footage on the documentary Third Reich:The Rise. Did anyone really believe the China they showed? The sweep of detentions, shutting down massive amounts of traffic to help the air, and who knows what else are the truth.
A few weeks later, the happy visitors and Jessie Owens would see a much different place and a lot would not have been welcome.
It's a long way from Germany to Japan. How would he have any effect on Japan at all? Even if it had occurred to him to try, he'd have had a hard time beating the Japanese war machine, and he would have been at a great disadvantage, since his home base was a continent away. Unless he'd managed to take over Russia and set up air bases there.
This question doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Besides, lol, Hitler was a non-Aryan himself!
Hitler, in my opinion, wanted world domination. He was encouraging more Aryan production through his breeding programs. These would be the future rulers of all those countries that he planned to conquer.
That's my understanding, at least.
Political alliances with other countries were for temporary convenience only. One, by one, he would pick off countries and take them over. I would imagine that his criteria for 'Aryanism' would also get more restrictive as time went on.
I thought his dream was of a pure Aryan super race, ruling the world, killing off inferior races and only keeping a few of them to serve the 'lords'?
He rejected his own Germans who did not have the right gene mix. He killed Poles and only kept those who proved the most Aryan. He would have certainly done this to many Italians and God only knows what he thought about the Japanese. At least, there were parts of India, Tibet, who he thought might be pure.
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It was just Poppycock. Had he believed in all that racial hogwash, he would have to kill himself since he was Alpine with a murky background. He would have been forced to kill 80 percent of Germany and most of Nazi leaders.
Italians? Italians were above Germans since they invented the whole thing!!!
But he had active breeding programs, just to produce these super men. Why waste resources on that? Why only select what he thought were the creme de la creme of people with Aryan genes? He had a war to fight. If they were just breeding for an army they would have selected differently, at least.
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As far as the "blond hair, blue eyed" thing goes, this is far from the truth. Unfortunately, middle and high school teachers have apparently been taught to blabber this to students . . .
You are wrong. My mother's second husband had been a US serviceman in Germany. He eventually married a woman who was in the breeding camp. She had a son as a result of that program who is now in this country. People involved in that horror really don't speak of it much, but it was real.
But he had active breeding programs, just to produce these super men. Why waste resources on that? Why only select what he thought were the creme de la creme of people with Aryan genes? He had a war to fight. If they were just breeding for an army they would have selected differently, at least.
No, I think he truly believed the crap.
I first heard about the Lebenstraum in high school. 1968. The school's AV director had grown up in Holland, and was a kid during the German occupaion. My expermental arts program had him do his talk.
He started out with the lights off except one dim one behind him. He had us sit quietly for a few minutes, let the mind drift. Then he said, you are standing in the upstairs window of your bedroom, looking down on the street. You are ten years old. Down the street, German troops are marching, the sounds echoing....
He created the atmosphere, then he told stories. Everyone was from his own memory. And when we were really *there* with him, got to the hard stuff. The horse which died in the street and got butchered in minutes by people in the street. Watching a neighbor's home being raided and the neighbors hauled away, knowing you had contraband hidden too.
Eventually the lights were turned back on and he looked us over. Every girl who was blonde and blue eyed was to stand. He announced, as everyone stared at the five of us, that we would be taken to a facility to serve the master race by having pure children.
Oh my god, I still remember the feeling. None of us had ever heard of this (and we'd all taken the appropriate history class, never got mentioned.) The whole room was staring. Just felt numb. I will never forget it.
The next day, we all had a lot of questions and he spent that and another day answering them. Lots about Lebenstraum. We were horrified. A few of us still felt that chill. They also kidnapped any children which could be 'germanized' as they looked 'suitable'. Most of them never saw their parents and grew up thinking the Nazi's who raised them were mom and dad.
I agree, he'd have tightened requirments as time went on. Then removed those who didn't qualify. Remember the brownshirts started things out but when they got in the way (too much of a rabble) they were murdered in a single night's operation.
He was perfectly capable of using up those who could fill in until he could accomplish his goal.
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