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Old 05-04-2013, 08:24 PM
 
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I think FDR made the worst mistake by trusting Stalin. FDR ignored everyone's warnings and thought he can charm a man who viewed him as an enemy to be outwitted and not as an ally. It was up there with Chamberlain trusting Hitler.
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Old 05-05-2013, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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How about James Polk invading Mexico for no reason except for notions of Manifest Destiny. Modern-day Americans are probably happy to have places like California and Texas in their borders, but what Americans know as the Mexican-American War was an unprovoked invasion by an arrogant government that thought its destiny was more important than that of another nation's. In latter years, the US would go to war against other nations for doing the same thing they had done guiltlessly under Polk - invading another nation to conquer a coveted piece of land. A lot of America's trouble with illegal aliens has been traced to the outcome of this war by modern historians, as well as Mexico not being a wealthier nation with a similar standard of living as the US.
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Old 05-05-2013, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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How about James Polk invading Mexico for no reason except for notions of Manifest Destiny. Modern-day Americans are probably happy to have places like California and Texas in their borders, but what Americans know as the Mexican-American War was an unprovoked invasion by an arrogant government that thought its destiny was more important than that of another nation's. In latter years, the US would go to war against other nations for doing the same thing they had done guiltlessly under Polk - invading another nation to conquer a coveted piece of land.
You may wish to view the Mexican War as a moral outrage, but that doesn't make it a mistake.

And I don't even view it as a moral outrage. Mexico's claim to those lands was weak, something they inherited from the Spanish when they won their independence, but Mexico failed to develop the territories, failed to protect settlers from the native warriors, failed to provide much government at all. At the time of the Mexican War, the real rulers of those lands were the Comanches, Apaches, Southern Cheyenne, Hopi, Kiowa, Navaho, Utes and Pueblos. Mexico claimed to own it, but they were not really controlling it.

We say that the United States stole those lands from Mexico, all the US really stole was the claim. The land itself the US stole from the native tribes.
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Old 05-05-2013, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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PRESIDENT Dick Cheney...and his vice president George Bush....who are we kidding? Cheney was the top dog..The worst mistake was the war on terror...What a waste of time and with no results to show for anything...Cheney was like a crusading corporate who came into conflict with Islam because he thought they were going to affect his business. To go off into Iraq and Afghanistan and those other spots was horrifically stupid...We have seen no benefit from this misadventure...None! So what does that say? Trillions of dollars wasted....thousands of dead and maimed people...impoverishment just to suit the fetishes of some oil baron...it's a disgrace.
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Old 05-05-2013, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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You may wish to view the Mexican War as a moral outrage, but that doesn't make it a mistake.

And I don't even view it as a moral outrage. Mexico's claim to those lands was weak, something they inherited from the Spanish when they won their independence, but Mexico failed to develop the territories, failed to protect settlers from the native warriors, failed to provide much government at all. At the time of the Mexican War, the real rulers of those lands were the Comanches, Apaches, Southern Cheyenne, Hopi, Kiowa, Navaho, Utes and Pueblos. Mexico claimed to own it, but they were not really controlling it.

We say that the United States stole those lands from Mexico, all the US really stole was the claim. The land itself the US stole from the native tribes.
And Mexican illegals are just patriots re-staking their claim on a land American cannot keep them out of.
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Old 05-05-2013, 07:47 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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And Mexican illegals are just patriots re-staking their claim on a land American cannot keep them out of.
There ya go! And aliens from outer space are just here to reclaim the portion of the Intergalactic Empire lost when the grand Emperor Clugg....yadyadayadayada
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Old 05-05-2013, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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And Mexican illegals are just patriots re-staking their claim on a land American cannot keep them out of.
As the Mexican complaint goes: "Not only did the US steal half of our country, they stole the half with all the good roads and wealthy cities."
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Old 05-06-2013, 12:40 AM
 
Location: Peterborough, England
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I think FDR made the worst mistake by trusting Stalin. FDR ignored everyone's warnings and thought he can charm a man who viewed him as an enemy to be outwitted and not as an ally. It was up there with Chamberlain trusting Hitler.

But what difference did this make? Stalin was going to conquer East Europe before the West did, so on that point Yalta merely rubber-stamped what was inevitable already. A mistake that makes no difference isn't much of a mistake.
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Old 05-06-2013, 12:46 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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You talking about Johnson, or Bush? Or TR with the Philippine-American war?
LBJ...of course!
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Old 05-06-2013, 12:47 AM
 
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What's your vote?

We know who you think is the worst President. What's the worst mistake?
In my opinion the worst single mistake a president has made was when Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act into law in 1913. Second worst was when Carter didn't ask for a declaration of war against Iran in 1979.
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