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Old 10-02-2013, 09:43 PM
 
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The French were crushed similarly to 1871. There was no need for Hitler to invade Great Britain. He did not have the capacity anyway. The British could not invade mainland Europe on their own. The USA would continue to be neutral. All Hitler had to do was to forget about Lebensraum and keep the USSR neutral and fortify his positions in Europe against future attack. Hitler and his Italian, Romanian, Hungarian, Finnish,Croatian, Spanish and Bulgarian allies could have had a long domination of Europe. I'm surprised historians have not talked more about this.
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Old 10-02-2013, 10:14 PM
 
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All Hitler had to do was to forget about Lebensraum and keep the USSR neutral and fortify his positions in Europe against future attack....I'm surprised historians have not talked more about this.
Because it would mean discounting two of Hitlers main objectives, securing living space for a growing(sic) Germany population from non-Aryans and the destruction of Bolshevism. I would argue that in Hitler's mind what would be the point of "world domination" if he could not rid the world of Jews and other undesirables, destroy communism, and secure land held in the hands of Poles and other Slavic people. As a result, talking about an Adolph Hitler without his eastern expansionist and genocidal ambitions would tantamount to discussing the imperial ambitions of unicorns.
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Old 10-02-2013, 11:12 PM
 
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Hardly. By '43, Chuck Norris would have been summoned to deliver a crippling roundhouse kick to the heart of Berlin, causing Germany's allies to change allegiances almost immediately.

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Old 10-03-2013, 02:33 AM
 
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What you say was never on anyone's agenda, quite the opposite.
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Old 10-03-2013, 03:27 AM
 
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Because it would mean discounting two of Hitlers main objectives, securing living space for a growing(sic) Germany population from non-Aryans and the destruction of Bolshevism. I would argue that in Hitler's mind what would be the point of "world domination" if he could not rid the world of Jews and other undesirables, destroy communism, and secure land held in the hands of Poles and other Slavic people. As a result, talking about an Adolph Hitler without his eastern expansionist and genocidal ambitions would tantamount to discussing the imperial ambitions of unicorns.
That is why I always felt Hitler was not a genius. Hitler's vision was wrong. I true genious would have saw the real opportunities for Germany in the 1930s and took advantage of the smaller countries around his borders and would have been satisfied.
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Old 10-03-2013, 08:51 AM
 
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..and you would have had a Napoleonic War situation of war phases that would last two decades or more. England and the commonwealth countries would have never surrendered, the war would have continued at sea, and in the air, and in Hitler's weak points (Africa), and the occupied nations would have never stayed settled under a German dominated Europe. Some things are just destined, set in stone no matter what occurs in the short term - like the proper balance of power in Europe.
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Old 10-03-2013, 10:13 AM
 
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The French were crushed similarly to 1871. There was no need for Hitler to invade Great Britain. He did not have the capacity anyway. The British could not invade mainland Europe on their own. The USA would continue to be neutral. All Hitler had to do was to forget about Lebensraum and keep the USSR neutral and fortify his positions in Europe against future attack. Hitler and his Italian, Romanian, Hungarian, Finnish,Croatian, Spanish and Bulgarian allies could have had a long domination of Europe. I'm surprised historians have not talked more about this.

Probably because historians deal in gathering evidence of past events and reconstructing actual occurrences rather than speculating on fantasy scenarios.
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Old 10-03-2013, 11:37 AM
 
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That is why I always felt Hitler was not a genius.
Well, I for one have never regarded Hitler as a genius.

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I would nominate that as being the understatement of year.
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Old 10-03-2013, 12:56 PM
 
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Because it would mean discounting two of Hitlers main objectives, securing living space for a growing(sic) Germany population from non-Aryans and the destruction of Bolshevism. I would argue that in Hitler's mind what would be the point of "world domination" if he could not rid the world of Jews and other undesirables, destroy communism, and secure land held in the hands of Poles and other Slavic people. As a result, talking about an Adolph Hitler without his eastern expansionist and genocidal ambitions would tantamount to discussing the imperial ambitions of unicorns.
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Old 10-03-2013, 05:06 PM
 
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The French were crushed similarly to 1871. There was no need for Hitler to invade Great Britain. He did not have the capacity anyway. The British could not invade mainland Europe on their own. The USA would continue to be neutral. All Hitler had to do was to forget about Lebensraum and keep the USSR neutral and fortify his positions in Europe against future attack. Hitler and his Italian, Romanian, Hungarian, Finnish,Croatian, Spanish and Bulgarian allies could have had a long domination of Europe. I'm surprised historians have not talked more about this.
Lebenstraum was Hitlers reason for waging war. You also fail to address the fighting in North Africa and the Pacific, the British/Free French were doing very well in North Africa at this time and if Japan attacks any of the US "territories" (colonies, really) in the Pacific such as the Philippines or Hawaii then the US would get involved against Japan and probably Germany as well.

I also have several issues with your list of German allies;
Finland wasn't a German ally, the Finns and Germans just happened to both be fighting against the Russians so if the Russians never go to war like you say they do then Finland stays neutral like Sweden.
Spain was never allied to Germany. It would have also been nearly useless in a war since the country was devastated by the Civil War they had just gotten out of.
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