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Germany was the only nation among the three that lacked access to resources, and fought to gain access to the sea (Danzig, Netherlands, France), farmland (Poland, Ukraine), and oil (Romania, North Africa). Lack of German access to oil and petroleum products was one of the turning points of the war.
During WW2 Germany was the threat to everyone, and in no way a "tool" of Britain or the USSR.
It wasn't until after WW2 that a defeated Germany became a focal point in the Cold War between the Western Alliance and the Soviets.
yes, it was a threat but never the less it was a tool of Germany and Russia bleeding each other to death policy, so, British elite use the results. Wish we knew the truth behind Hess flight.
What if Poland had yielded the Polish Corridor to Hitler in 1939, without war, and then either (1) Poland let Germany troops occupy all or part of Poland, without war, or (2) the UK had stayed out of any German-Polish war, meaning that Germany in 1939 could have taken Poland and wouldn’t have had to face a war with the UK? I assume that Hitler would have left Western Europe alone then.
How would Europe have fared:
Would Hitler have treated Poland like he treated Bohemia/Moravia: an oppressed protectorate, but without the death and destruction that Poland faced?
Long-term, how would the situation have been worse than what Eastern Europe faced with Communism after 1945? Or would it have been worse? Would Germans eventually have demanded a return of democracy?
Nazi ideology held that the Poles were inferiors. Hitler had told the German people all along in Mein Kampf and in his speeches that Germany needed "Lebensraum" or "living space". His idea to create that space was to drive out or kill the people whom he regarded as his inferiors. Than Germans could move in take the land and utilize it to create the country that Hitler envisioned.
Poland would have been looted and sacked whether they put up resistance or not. The population would have either been murdered or forced to leave. Imagining anything else is to not understand the pure evil involved in an ideology that preaches there are groups like "mongrel races" or "untermenschen".
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Nazi ideology held that the Poles were inferiors. Hitler had told the German people all along in Mein Kampf and in his speeches that Germany needed "Lebensraum" or "living space". His idea to create that space was to drive out or kill the people whom he regarded as his inferiors. Than Germans could move in take the land and utilize it to create the country that Hitler envisioned.
Poland would have been looted and sacked whether they put up resistance or not. The population would have either been murdered or forced to leave. Imaging anything else is to not understand the pure evil involved in an ideology that preaches there are groups like "mongrel races" or "untermenschen".
Your point is ... what? Does that absolve Germany from its sins?
Anti-Semitic sentiment, pogroms, religious wars, invasions, massacres, etc have been present in Europe for millennia. Whatever came from "overseas" (like the treatment of Blacks, Native Americans, etc) had its origins in policies set by European governments and colonists to the Americas. Eugenics had its origins in Britain, although it took hold for awhile in the US, but was used to reinforce the existing biases (and eventually German crimes against humanity) by providing so-called "scientific" reasons to classify certain groups of people as "undesirable."
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I've never seen, in nearly 50 years of studying Britain, any evidence to show that Britain wanted Russian resources. Heck, the Russians were hardly getting by before WWII under the death grip of Stalinism.
WWII was caused by the rise of Hitler and his push for lebensraum by dominating Europe from the North Sea to the Urals.
I've never seen, in nearly 50 years of studying Britain, any evidence to show that Britain wanted Russian resources. Heck, the Russians were hardly getting by before WWII under the death grip of Stalinism.
WWII was caused by the rise of Hitler and his push for lebensraum by dominating Europe from the North Sea to the Urals.
i read Soviet historians, some of them think that Crimean War, WW1 and WW2 has in core Britain desire for Russian real estate.
reading in English : Operation Pike, Operation Unthinkable. Of course, Hitler developed his own ideas, a lot of which came from across the sea.
i read Soviet historians, some of them think that Crimean War, WW1 and WW2 has in core Britain desire for Russian real estate.
reading in English : Operation Pike, Operation Unthinkable. Of course, Hitler developed his own ideas, a lot of which came from across the sea.
The Soviets were never known for accuracy, and were paranoid about many things. Britain did not enter WWI until Germany attacked France, forcing Britain to join the war or accede to German control of Western Europe, which was unacceptable.
i read Soviet historians, some of them think that Crimean War, WW1 and WW2 has in core Britain desire for Russian real estate.
reading in English : Operation Pike, Operation Unthinkable. Of course, Hitler developed his own ideas, a lot of which came from across the sea.
Operation Pike was to be in response to the German-Soviet Pact just prior to the invasion of Poland by the USSR and Germany. It was to be a response to a suspected alliance of the USSR and Germany, but this plan was trashed after Germany invaded the USSR, and the USSR was confirmed to be an ally of Britain and France.
Operation Unthinkable was a plan for AFTER WW2, and was intended to drive occupying Russian troops out of the Eastern European countries, and prevent the spread of Communism. There were many, many plans on both sides after the war (NATO and Warsaw Pact) to prepare for respective invasions of the West or East.
Neither plan applied to pre-WW2 British land desires.
Also note that British troop strength stagnated at just over 300,000 troops throughout the 1930s, hardly indicative of a force seeking to impose its will on other European countries. At the same time Germany had millions of SA members, and had been steadily increasing its armaments and troops throughout the 1930s to over 600,000 by 1938 (eventually to over 3 million in preparing to invade the USSR). By 1939 the Red Army already had nearly 2 million troops.
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