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Old 08-14-2009, 07:30 AM
 
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Rather than bring up an old thread, I thought I would start a new one.

I am looking to get into the RC Heli hobby. I did some looking and have decided on getting a Honey Bee fixed pitch to start. There is a new version about to be released that is much better than the older version. I've been practicing on a flight simulator until I can get the real thing. I know the simulator is not the same but it will at least give me a slight edge and hopefully save me a few bucks in repairs. I've looked into joining a local club but they want too much money to be a member so I'll have to stick with free on line clubs.

There was a few people posting here about getting into the hobby, how did it go for you, are you still flying?
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Old 08-15-2009, 06:11 AM
 
Location: NH. NY. SC. next move, my ground condo
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i bought a 50 dollar heli to learn with and it's going pretty good. from what i have seen the honey bee isn't a bad heli to fly. i beleave it's a little more expensive than mine. hey have fun learning i know i am.
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Old 08-18-2009, 03:05 PM
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Location: Phoenix,AZ
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Coolest darned things I've ever seen.
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Old 08-18-2009, 07:32 PM
 
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A $50 heli is a great deal! Coaxial or fixed pitch? Either way you got a great deal and can have a lot of fun and not worry too much about it.

I found out that the Honey Bee 2 is shipping so I'll be ordering it soon. It's still not shipping in the US, just Hong Kong so it will take little longer to arrive.
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Old 08-19-2009, 06:40 PM
 
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I have a Falcon 40 fixed pitch and a HoneyBee King 2, haven't had any time to fly them, definetly takes time to master, mine are probably gonna go up on ebay, just don't have the time any more
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Old 08-24-2009, 10:42 PM
 
Location: SE MO
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I have a Falcon 40 fixed pitch and a HoneyBee King 2, haven't had any time to fly them, definetly takes time to master, mine are probably gonna go up on ebay, just don't have the time any more
How would a fixed pitch helicopter move without rolling over? The concept of helicopter flight is variable pitch of the rotors. Of course I have seen models do things real ones cannot do, so maybe. Just curious.
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Old 08-24-2009, 11:44 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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How would a fixed pitch helicopter move without rolling over? The concept of helicopter flight is variable pitch of the rotors. Of course I have seen models do things real ones cannot do, so maybe. Just curious.
There are 2 basic main rotor controls on a helicopter. We won't get into the tail rotor stuff here.
One is collective. This changes the pitch angle of the blades themselves to create more or less amount of lift at a given rotor RPM.
On fixed pitch blades lift can be controlled by the speed of the RPM to increase or decrease lift.

The 2nd control is cyclic. This tilts the rotor head fore, aft, right, left, or any degree of a complete circle. This gives direction.
A chopper can not be controlled without cyclic control.
But lift can be controlled with fixed pitch blades by engine/rotor RPM.
If you were to take a boxed window fan and hold it horizontal then tilt or lower the front or the sides you might feel a difference in the directional pull if the fan is on high speed. That is cyclic control.
If you put the fan on low you might notice less change. You would be controlling lift by contolling the speed of the fan. You didn't change the pitch of the blades. Because the pitch is fixed but you could still change directional control by tilting the fan in any direction. If there isn't enough fan speed to create lift then there can't be any effective cyclic control. Something has to create motion (lift) before the direction of motion can be changed. (I am not recommending you do this. It is just an exaggerated example)

By the way, flying a helicopter is like trying to control a horizontal fan in such a way so that what is hanging beneath it goes where you want it to at the speed and height you want it to.

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Old 08-25-2009, 05:17 AM
 
Location: SE MO
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There are 2 basic main rotor controls on a helicopter. We won't get into the tail rotor stuff here.
One is collective. This changes the pitch angle of the blades themselves to create more or less amount of lift at a given rotor RPM.
On fixed pitch blades lift can be controlled by the speed of the RPM to increase or decrease lift.

The 2nd control is cyclic. This tilts the rotor head fore, aft, right, left, or any degree of a complete circle. This gives direction.
A chopper can not be controlled without cyclic control.
But lift can be controlled with fixed pitch blades by engine/rotor RPM.
If you were to take a boxed window fan and hold it horizontal then tilt or lower the front or the sides you might feel a difference in the directional pull if the fan is on high speed. That is cyclic control.
If you put the fan on low you might notice less change. You would be controlling lift by contolling the speed of the fan. You didn't change the pitch of the blades. Because the pitch is fixed but you could still change directional control by tilting the fan in any direction. If there isn't enough fan speed to create lift then there can't be any effective cyclic control. Something has to create motion (lift) before the direction of motion can be changed. (I am not recommending you do this. It is just an exaggerated example)

By the way, flying a helicopter is like trying to control a horizontal fan in such a way so that what is hanging beneath it goes where you want it to at the speed and height you want it to.
Thanks. I know how a helicopter flies having several thousand hours as pilot and CFI. I was curious how you overcame the dissymmetry of lift with a fixed pitch rotor since the blades don't articulate. So its done by moving the control head. Interesting. I have seen model helis do amazing stunts. What I thought was an out of control beginner was actually an expert going through a routine! Pivoting around the tailrotor in a vertical plane. he was good. Also got to watch the jets! Total awesome. When airborne looked and sounded like a real one. His even had airbrakes. It looked like a real one sitting on the ground too.
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Old 08-30-2009, 04:07 PM
 
Location: NH. NY. SC. next move, my ground condo
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A $50 heli is a great deal! Coaxial or fixed pitch? Either way you got a great deal and can have a lot of fun and not worry too much about it.

I found out that the Honey Bee 2 is shipping so I'll be ordering it soon. It's still not shipping in the US, just Hong Kong so it will take little longer to arrive.
yeah it's a fixed pitch. this is what mine looks like. it's a good learner so atleast if i crash it i'm not out hundreds.
http://i18.ebayimg.com/08/i/001/21/c5/6e5b_35.JPG (broken link)
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Old 09-01-2009, 08:47 AM
 
Location: God's Gift to Mankind for flying anything
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yeah it's a fixed pitch. this is what mine looks like. it's a good learner so at least if I crash it I'm not out hundreds.
That's one of the things, I do not like about those RC vehicles.
Not much you can fix, unless you replace with the original replacement part.

Unlike balsa and/or foam rc airplanes, you can fix and fix and fix and fix ......
Oh well .......
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