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Old 12-23-2011, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Houston, Tx
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Houston Pavilions could be headed for sale - Houston Chronicle

Looks like people really don't support mixed used developments, even though people always say they want them.
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Old 12-23-2011, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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They should have built the residential portion with the Pavillions.
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Old 12-23-2011, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Houston Pavilions could be headed for sale - Houston Chronicle

Looks like people really don't support mixed used developments, even though people always say they want them.
The problem with Houston Pavillions is that it was not welcoming. It wasn't inviting. The whole design theme of the place was off. If you drove by downtown, you wouldn't notice anything special about it. Houston, go to Chicago and take notes on making your city core a haven for retail.
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Old 12-23-2011, 02:19 PM
 
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The problem with Houston Pavillions is that it was not welcoming. It wasn't inviting. The whole design theme of the place was off. If you drove by downtown, you wouldn't notice anything special about it. Houston, go to Chicago and take notes on making your city core a haven for retail.
Hard to blame the city on this. This all goes back to the developer. He built this. There was a condo and a hotel that was suppose to be built with this and both plans was scrapped.
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Old 12-23-2011, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Hard to blame the city on this. This all goes back to the developer. He built this. There was a condo and a hotel that was suppose to be built with this and both plans was scrapped.
When I say "Houston", I mean citizens and those who have a stake here. The developers should have people on their teams qualified to plan sites like these. Why have degrees if you don't use them? Along with a little common sense. I mean, you spend millions upon millions of dollars for it to fail? Come on! It's not like Houstonians don't like to shop.
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Old 12-23-2011, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Underneath the Pecan Tree
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When I say "Houston", I mean citizens and those who have a stake here. The developers should have people on their teams qualified to plan sites like these. Why have degrees if you don't use them? Along with a little common sense. I mean, you spend millions upon millions of dollars for it to fail? Come on! It's not like Houstonians don't like to shop.
Exactly. The initial plan was brilliant; than they started cutting off significant parts which were what really made this development pop. People aren't going to flock downtown for XII and a few other places. However, House of Blues and I think Lucky Strike are doing good.
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Old 12-23-2011, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Exactly. The initial plan was brilliant; than they started cutting off significant parts which were what really made this development pop. People aren't going to flock downtown for XII and a few other places. However, House of Blues and I think Lucky Strike are doing good.
Exactly. No focus groups? No research into the local marketplace was done? No research on what they typical Houston shopper looks for or enjoys? Do research on pint up demand for a service? I personally walked right by the HP, and never ONCE had the urge to go look inside and browse and explore the place. That says a lot. Because, we always look for new places to explore and hang out at in Houston. Epic fail.
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Old 12-23-2011, 03:33 PM
 
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When I say "Houston", I mean citizens and those who have a stake here. The developers should have people on their teams qualified to plan sites like these. Why have degrees if you don't use them? Along with a little common sense. I mean, you spend millions upon millions of dollars for it to fail? Come on! It's not like Houstonians don't like to shop.
Ok yeah I agree there.
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Old 12-23-2011, 03:35 PM
 
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Exactly. The initial plan was brilliant; than they started cutting off significant parts which were what really made this development pop. People aren't going to flock downtown for XII and a few other places. However, House of Blues and I think Lucky Strike are doing good.
They had a bookstore as their anchor, I believe and it wasn't even Borders or Barnes and Noble. Besides, we all know what's going on with bookstores anyway.They weren't working even in the most urban places in America.
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Old 12-23-2011, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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The problem with Houston Pavillions is that it was not welcoming. It wasn't inviting. The whole design theme of the place was off. If you drove by downtown, you wouldn't notice anything special about it. Houston, go to Chicago and take notes on making your city core a haven for retail.
I don't want it to be like "Chicago's" Needs to be Houston's - whatever that may be. No city should look at another city's and try to replicate any feature of it. Cities should all be unique in design and not similar. I liked the design but there aren't enough tenants and no special events going on in the plaza of it.

The basic problem is that Houston's downtown is a working man's/woman's downtown. Everything rolls up after 6 p.m. except in pockets - Houston Pavilions, Theatre District, Discovery Green. I'm not sure the design is the problem as much as it is the lack of people in recreational hours. There aren't enough people living downtown to support a lot of evening/weekends business and retail and most retailers can't make it on having primarily a 10-2 business. The bookstore is Books-A-Million and actually it isn't bad. Sad to see HP go into foreclosure - had a lot of potential if it had the residential development nearby.
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