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Old 12-28-2010, 11:56 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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Judge sides with illegal aliens against U.S. law officers - National Law Enforcement | Examiner.com

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The eleven aliens suing ICE claim that agents entered their homes without cause, consent or search warrants and that authorities had no reason to assume they lacked legal status.
and yet apparently they ARE illegal..............

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A federal judge -- gave a group of illegal aliens the go ahead to sue the U.S. government for violating their constitutional rights
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Old 12-29-2010, 12:11 AM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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One more reason why assets of CRIMINAL aliens should be seized. Money made as a result of a crime is seized in other cases, why not in this scenario? That would address some of the greed involved in these suits. For this to be effective, the POS lawyers who take on these cases would have to denied any payment.
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Old 12-29-2010, 01:03 AM
 
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
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ICE raided about 6 houses and detained about 1/2 of the 30 occupants. It is unclear if all of the 11 plaintiffs are illegals. ICE did not have search warrants or arrest warrants. The judge's ruling was that the same Constitutional rights that keep police from kicking in the doors of suspected drug dealers and suspected white collar criminals also apply to illegal immigrants - and that the plaintiffs have the right to sue the police for these breaches. Sometimes the law isn't what you think it should be.

The judge's decision:
http://courtweb.pamd.uscourts.gov/co...c/00D3wT6v.pdf
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Old 12-29-2010, 01:06 AM
 
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Illegal aliens don't have the same rights as citizens.
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Old 12-29-2010, 01:09 AM
 
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
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Illegal aliens don't have the same rights as citizens.
Where is that written? Which part of the Constitution limits Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights to citizens? If that was a valid legal argument then the defense would have brought it up.

Last edited by Gary Siete; 12-29-2010 at 01:25 AM..
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Old 12-29-2010, 04:18 AM
 
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I do have a problem with federal agents entering homes without warrants because for one, that's not needed to deport illegals, there are other ways to find illegals.

And none of us would want agents banging down our doors to search our homes for illegals who aren't there.

I don't believe in door-to-door searches without warrants. They can crack down on employers, make sure job holders have the proper documentation and of course cut off government handouts like food stamps. Deport illegals as they make themselves known. When found driving without licenses and insurance, shoplifting, DWI.

These illegals shouldn't be given some kind of amnesty however - the warrantless search doesn't give them a pass for their crimes.
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Old 12-29-2010, 10:08 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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They should have handled it differently. Road blocks work nice. If someone runs from a traffic stop into the building you then have probable cause.
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Old 12-29-2010, 02:34 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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The actions of the agents is not[in the eyes of the Law] excusable[if the allegations are found truthful]because the recipients of the treatment are guilty.

The Constitution holds for every person...regardless of their immigration status; guilt, or innocence. The Law presumes every person innocent untill "Due Process" and ajudication.
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Old 12-29-2010, 03:40 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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The actions of the agents is not[in the eyes of the Law] excusable[if the allegations are found truthful]because the recipients of the treatment are guilty.

The Constitution holds for every person...regardless of their immigration status; guilt, or innocence. The Law presumes every person innocent untill "Due Process" and ajudication.
Yep, and exactly why a tougher border is needed. That way no one can sneak here to be able to hide behind the net we have in place for our Citizens.
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Old 12-29-2010, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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Isn't it amazing how the illegals just LOVE the laws of this country when they protect THEM? Yet they have zero qualms breaking any that don't benefit them.
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