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Once again, most likely as a frustration that Obama was re-elected with Hispanic support, this forum has degenerated into talk that doesn't differentiate between legal immigrant, Hispanic U.S. citizen, and illegal alien. A couple of members are to the point of suggesting the taking up of arms and action into their their own hands. There might be a need for a moderator cleansing, before it escalates into motivating some nutcase in the wrong way.
Greetings to you all on Veterans Day...
The hispanic lobby refuses to do so. Why should we? The price of their support is an open demand that Americans allow all hispanics to move here virtually unconditionally. Hispanic leaders are now demanding we allow millions of foreign law breakers to stay here, gain American citizenship, access to our welfare system and job permits when millions of Americans are unemployed. They do this for one reason and one reason only: because the illegals are largely hispanic. Were they largely Chinese the hispanic lobby would be firmly on the side of most Americans and most posters on this forum.
That's the real racism here. That's also the real nuttery. We're supposed to let a nitwit stay here who has lived here for twenty years without learning any English, drives on our roads without a permit or insurance, uses food stamps, works off the books, pays little if anything in taxes, has a few DUIs, and no high school diploma. Why? Because he's hispanic.
First of all la raza means the race any race, or race less since it doesn’t tells any reference to any race in specific. Mexico Spain and Latin America celebrate a day call el dia de la raza, in remembrance to the day the two worlds met new and old. It as nothing to do with race, as you know it, and you and many others here try to used it as a way to induce hatred, or see Mexicans as people who are always trying to hurt America, on people ignorant about the subject. And it really works for you. La Raza is un unkowng entity in Mexico, and as zero influence there.
Now, there is a group of Mexican Americans (“Mexican Americans or Americans of Mexican heritage or -anchor already grown up babies- if that’s how you prefer to call them) who are even consider radicals by the Mexican American society. And they don’t have much influence upon the Hispanic population in general in America. They being Americans have the right to gather and think and fantasize as much as they like, and have the right to spread their massage, just as you do, as long as they don’t hurt, or go house to house spreading their massage or whatever you would like to call it. It could be hatred or resentment as far as I’m concerned .
Now going back to the subject, about Mexico being more racist than america as you stated.” Oh yeah --- you want to see racism? Just have some Americans packing up and heading into Mexico.” There are currently living happily in Mexico about a million Americans not counting tourist, along with hundreds of American own companies with them, including McDonalds, Kentucky fried chicken, ford, etc. have you hear any outcries from them about any discrimination toward them in Mexico. Cause I have not.
Now you say that Mexican immigration laws are more severe than ours (mexico just intruduced a new immigration law LEY DE MIGRACION.). Once upon a time not to long ago there was a state call tejas, that was part of Mexico. There were naturalized Mexicans borne in the ibero peninsula or Spain which is the same, there were Mexican Indians or native americans which was the same and the majority of the population was made up of mestizos. After mexico won its independence from Spain , it encouraged Americans to settle in Texas they were given land, this Americans became Mexican citizens were supposed to learn Spanish and asimiliate however they never really became Mexicans , they kept their language and ways and culturally had more in common with the people of the usa than Mexico. These cultural ties with the usa made the settlers identify more with the usa than Mexico. That may be some of the reasons why Mexico has some severe immigrations laws pertaining foreigners, as non citizens cannot own land in Mexico ( they can only lease it). France invaded Mexico, America as invaded Mexico too. And American sponsored American settlers in Texas to take over the land. What do you think Mexico is going to let us or any other country do the samething. Remember that they last half of their territory.
You gotta remember that Guatemala kicked Mexico out but few Mexicans want that land back. Maybe because it's STILL poor and messed up like so much of Mexico in 2012. Mexico only had Cali, Arizona and so on for a few years. Texas: many of the people who fought Mexico were of Spanish family too.
You gotta remember that Guatemala kicked Mexico out but few Mexicans want that land back. Maybe because it's STILL poor and messed up like so much of Mexico in 2012. Mexico only had Cali, Arizona and so on for a few years. Texas: many of the people who fought Mexico were of Spanish family too.
Guatemala didn’t kick Mexico out. In 1821 when mexico won the war of independence from spain after 10 year of war. The countries in central Americas, seen Spain defeated declared their independence without firing a shot, Mexico did it for them.
Guatemala gained independence from Spain without the wars that ravaged much of Latin America. In 1821 Mexico proclaimed itself an independent empire, led by General Agustin de Iturbide. On September 15, 1821, a council of notables in Guatemala City declared independence from Spain and formed a government that assumed jurisdiction over the entire kingdom, keeping the acting captain general, Gabino de Gainza, as the chief executive. Yet individual municipalities throughout the region, from Chiapas to Costa Rica, also assumed the right to act on their own, and several declared independence not only from Spain, but from Mexico and Guatemala as well. The government in Guatemala, dominated by the Honduran lawyer and scholar Jose Cecilio del Valle, quickly moved to incorporate the kingdom into Iturbide’s Mexican Empire in January 1822. Resistance from the provinces soon erupted into civil war, but before the issue was decided, Iturbide’s government collapsed. A Central American convention declared Central America independent on July 1, 1823, and formed the United Provinces of Central America, a federation that included Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Costa Rica, and Nicaragua.
And is not a Mexican policy to gain any of the states lost back, so that out of the question, illegal immigration its not coordinated by one person or state. Illegal immigration is millians of people making individual decisions to immigrate but there is nobody behind them coordinating this process with the intent to take over America.
illegals coming here to make some money i understand.
but the same people that complain about the illegals are the ones that hire them. the same ones that have a grown son loafing on the coach while pepe& maria cut the lawn an clean the house, complain about illegal immigration and lack of jobs.
this i do not understand
Mexico would flip out if several million Americans; especially Black ones, did just that. The Mexican racists would lose it. LOL
They would not permit this. You see they have laws that they would quickly enforce if it applied to us.We no longer have a government that does what the majority wants. They just try to make us think they do...To our so called "leaders" we are little more than sheep.If this was not true we would have dealt with the illegal invaders years ago.
You don't have to wish for that -- that will be inevitable.
Listening to some "immigrants" talking yesterday - talking about their relatives up in Chicago who talk about having to shovel snow and how horribly cold it is, it seemed maybe that we should just let the impoverished masses leave Mexico and just give them at least the blue states that want unlimited numbers of illegals coming in.
Obama seems hell-bent on having millions more come and enjoy all the promises he intends to fill for them, our middle class is on a sharp decline. The weather is nice in Mexico and if many millions of them can so easily come and live here, why can't many millions of us set up camp in Mexico and enjoy the great weather, the almost non-existent taxes, no welfare class, and a middle class that is growing?
Living in Northern California, I have been tempted to "retire" in Mexico. I could live in a decent house with domestic help for $1,500 a month. Mexico is a vacation destination, warm weather, heck it sounds ideal. I have gotten to the point that the SF Bay Area (home my entire adult life) is too crowded, too expensive, and with 30,000 parolees coming out of our overcrowded prisons, way too risky. I say "let the illegals have California -- they have pretty much taken over the state." And I very much doubt things will ever change - California is broke and we still welcome illegals in to partake of our social services, jobs, etc. Our resources (land, water, food, etc.) are not infinite to take care of millions of interlopers.
Absolutely disgusting, and getting worse all the time.
First of all la raza means the race any race, or race less since it doesn’t tells any reference to any race in specific. Mexico Spain and Latin America celebrate a day call el dia de la raza, in remembrance to the day the two worlds met new and old. It as nothing to do with race, as you know it, and you and many others here try to used it as a way to induce hatred, or see Mexicans as people who are always trying to hurt America, on people ignorant about the subject. And it really works for you. La Raza is un unkowng entity in Mexico, and as zero influence there.
Now, there is a group of Mexican Americans (“Mexican Americans or Americans of Mexican heritage or -anchor already grown up babies- if that’s how you prefer to call them) who are even consider radicals by the Mexican American society. And they don’t have much influence upon the Hispanic population in general in America. They being Americans have the right to gather and think and fantasize as much as they like, and have the right to spread their massage, just as you do, as long as they don’t hurt, or go house to house spreading their massage or whatever you would like to call it. It could be hatred or resentment as far as I’m concerned .
Now going back to the subject, about Mexico being more racist than america as you stated.” Oh yeah --- you want to see racism? Just have some Americans packing up and heading into Mexico.” There are currently living happily in Mexico about a million Americans not counting tourist, along with hundreds of American own companies with them, including McDonalds, Kentucky fried chicken, ford, etc. have you hear any outcries from them about any discrimination toward them in Mexico. Cause I have not.
Now you say that Mexican immigration laws are more severe than ours (mexico just intruduced a new immigration law LEY DE MIGRACION.). Once upon a time not to long ago there was a state call tejas, that was part of Mexico. There were naturalized Mexicans borne in the ibero peninsula or Spain which is the same, there were Mexican Indians or native americans which was the same and the majority of the population was made up of mestizos. After mexico won its independence from Spain , it encouraged Americans to settle in Texas they were given land, this Americans became Mexican citizens were supposed to learn Spanish and asimiliate however they never really became Mexicans , they kept their language and ways and culturally had more in common with the people of the usa than Mexico. These cultural ties with the usa made the settlers identify more with the usa than Mexico. That may be some of the reasons why Mexico has some severe immigrations laws pertaining foreigners, as non citizens cannot own land in Mexico ( they can only lease it). France invaded Mexico, America as invaded Mexico too. And American sponsored American settlers in Texas to take over the land. What do you think Mexico is going to let us or any other country do the samething. Remember that they last half of their territory.
First of all -- yes it does. "Raza" means race or breed. If you tell someone you have a dog, they will likely ask you "que raza" -- what breed.
There are not entire cities with 90% Americans living in them, there are no Americans living off welfare handouts in Mexico. Americans can be found in Mexico of course, but every one of them has to have a means to financially support themselves and getting a work visa to work in Mexico is very difficult. Americans who travel illegally to Mexico or take jobs illegally in Mexico are not being promised any kinds of rewards for doing so, they would be deported if they made their presence known.
As far as Texas history, your knowledge of that is limited. Spain allowed those settlers to move into Texas and Spain gave them land grants. Spain -- not Mexico. Then Mexico won it's independence from Spain and 24 years later Texas won it's independence from Mexico.
You have to look at the history of those times. Mexico was a very poorly governed nation. Santa Ana was very incompetent and leaned more and more to a Centralist form of government. A very Centralist form of government is incapable of governing over a large region - just like Mexico today has little control over the border regions.
There was also great division in Mexico between the Federalists and the Centralists. You probably don't realize that there were people with Spanish last names fighting for Texas Independence from Mexico. Many of the Federalist opposition to Santa Ana and his government had fled to Texas previously and joined the cause of independence. Santa Ana was an incapable and incompetent president just like Mexico's presidents generally were. You know -- Santa Ana who lost his leg and had it buried but in Mexico City, the Mexicans dug it up and dragged it around the zocalo to anger and humiliate him.
And illegals and all the others today are saying pretty much the same thing about their country and it's government today -- they want to be no part of it --- they're fleeing by the many millions --- just not as honestly as the Texans and tejanos did. The stampede of Mexicans out of Mexico shows how little Mexicans want Mexican rule. Just like Texas --- they all want out.
They simply are too cowardly to actually fight for independence, they don't benefit those they leave behind -- they expect to abandon their lands and be given land to live on in the USA. They won't stay and fight -- like the Texans and tejanos did.
[quote=Oldglory;26912327]The NCLR is a U.S. based Hispanic advocacy group. Which means any race/ethnic group that has Spanish bloodlines and practices the Hispanic culture, Spanish langugage, etc. So, yes the name of their group is about a particular race/ethnic group.
Mexicans and any other illegal immigrants who come here illegally are hurting Americans whether it is their intent or not.
No you are wrong, on the race or that has to have Spanish bloodlines and that practices the Spanish. (The word Hispanic is an American creation). If a baby is born in Mexico or any country in latin America to German parents and is raise there and when he grows older, he decides to immigrate to America. He will be consider Hispanic. If he was born in Mexico and raised there he will be consider Mexican by Americans and the American government. so that’s what I’m saying that race don’t matter, the Mexican government don’t care who you were born from, the government and the Mexican constitution make no distinctions between the people born in Mexico, they are all Mexicans with the same rights.
Mexicans are hurting the uneducated and lazy people . On the other hand if you were an employee who hire them you will be benefiting, and probably happy. My best guess to why the government haven’t stop illegal immigration, is because they are benefiting to.
They would not permit this. You see they have laws that they would quickly enforce if it applied to us.We no longer have a government that does what the majority wants. They just try to make us think they do...To our so called "leaders" we are little more than sheep.If this was not true we would have dealt with the illegal invaders years ago.
That’s right! Didn’t you know that we actually don’t live in a democracy but a republic, when you vote for representatives end to them we the people give the power to decide what is best for the sheep, I mean the people.
Last edited by unitedstatian; 11-11-2012 at 11:41 PM..
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