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The propaganda seems to be coming from you. Making claims of things that aren't factually correct, then changing them in the next comment claiming propaganda by the right.
Your blog links, imply that the majority needed was 60, and claimed that Congress was never Democrat held for any length of time, you even perpetuated that claim, now you have been shown your claim is but inane. Your blogs were not concise, they were perpetuating a lie.
Obstructionist filibusters? I can swear the Democrats have used them when the Republicans where in charge. But I get it, you don't get your way on everything so its the Republicans fault.
There are also some Progressive Repubs that side with Democrats, so what. What does this have to do with the comments you previously made?
If one states that a majority is 60, sure one can make the assumption they haven't a clue about what they are claiming, especially when a majority is 51/100. To claim that hairs are being split over this, I simply pointed out your links are fallacious ignorant attempts to demonize the other party over inept mathematical skills.
As for right-wing bloggers, again, so what, if they purport fallacious innuendo as your links have, I will point it out provided it is linked to by a commenter.
** The claim of democrats not having control for an extended length of time during this presidency is absolutely true. The real lie is that dems "controlled" Congress for 2 or even 4 years.
** Once again you make vague claims without data. Who are these "progressive republicans". Naming them would be an actual contribution.
You have ignored all data pointing to the unprecedented amount of filibustering by republicans and their scheme to tank the economy for political gain which is absolutely true and publicly expressed by republicans. Here's a sample of the republican agenda, and an exposure of the "liberal media" right-wing lie. Republicans Commit Economic Sabotage while Press Sleeps - Brokenwing - Open Salon
Mitch McConnell said "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president". Bad choice of words? Maybe, but if it can be seen as a threat of obstructionism, then repubs have followed through on it over the last four years. Now with the recent election results, it seems like they are softening somewhat - out of necessity.
he alst tie it had bi-partisan support under Bush but it was the public rsponse that killed the bill.The same ole people are psuhig it agian and i would think they will hear the same pubiuc response.Mccai who support the bill said it the response was so clear ;he said we egt it in response.
** The claim of democrats not having control for an extended length of time during this presidency is absolutely true. The real lie is that dems "controlled" Congress for 2 or even 4 years.
And yet the democrats did control Congress from 2007 - 2011, go figure.
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** Once again you make vague claims without data. Who are these "progressive republicans". Naming them would be an actual contribution.
Olympia Snow, Scott Brown, Arlan Specter, imjusayin.
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Originally Posted by detwahDJ
You have ignored all data pointing to the unprecedented amount of filibustering by republicans and their scheme to tank the economy for political gain which is absolutely true and publicly expressed by republicans. Here's a sample of the republican agenda, and an exposure of the "liberal media" right-wing lie. Republicans Commit Economic Sabotage while Press Sleeps - Brokenwing - Open Salon
Mitch McConnell said "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president". Bad choice of words? Maybe, but if it can be seen as a threat of obstructionism, then repubs have followed through on it over the last four years. Now with the recent election results, it seems like they are softening somewhat - out of necessity.
So the issue boils down to you whining about the filibuster that even the democrats don't want to get rid of. There were very few changes made to it, thanks to the Democrat votes. The issue for all the filibusters was the fact Reid would not allow amendments to any legislation.
The rest of your red herring is worthless propaganda.
And yet the democrats did control Congress from 2007 - 2011, go figure.
Olympia Snow, Scott Brown, Arlan Specter, imjusayin.
So the issue boils down to you whining about the filibuster that even the democrats don't want to get rid of. There were very few changes made to it, thanks to the Democrat votes. The issue for all the filibusters was the fact Reid would not allow amendments to any legislation.
The rest of your red herring is worthless propaganda.
Wow, yet another Fox talking point. You know about amendments, right? Here is Reid's position concerning that charge. Reid: GOP trying to kill Ex-Im measure - The Hill's Floor Action
In other words, for the sake of obstruction, republican amendments are designed to kill legislation.
** The Veterans Job Corps bill, to put veterans to work preserving and restoring national parks and other federal, state and local lands, was attacked by several Republican senators. Sen. Rand Paul proposed amendments to the measure to take away U.S. assistance to Pakistan, Egypt and Libya in response to the recent protests and attacks against American consulates and embassies.
** Republicans scuttled legislation that would have allowed D.C. greater autonomy over its budget. Democrats withdrew a Senate bill from committee after Rand Paul offered a series of amendments to alter D.C. laws on guns, abortion and labor unions.
** Repubs have attached unrelated amendments to repeal Obamacare itself.
Republicans "objected" to the Bring Jobs Home outsourcing bill because Reid blocked GOP amendments to the bill, including a proposal to repeal the 2010 health-care reform act (Obamacare). Senate Republicans also attempted to amend a small business tax cut bill with language repealing the AHCA.
Any mystery now about Reid's objections?
Wow, yet another Fox talking point. You know about amendments, right? Here is Reid's position concerning that charge. Reid: GOP trying to kill Ex-Im measure - The Hill's Floor Action
In other words, for the sake of obstruction, republican amendments are designed to kill legislation.
** The Veterans Job Corps bill, to put veterans to work preserving and restoring national parks and other federal, state and local lands, was attacked by several Republican senators. Sen. Rand Paul proposed amendments to the measure to take away U.S. assistance to Pakistan, Egypt and Libya in response to the recent protests and attacks against American consulates and embassies.
** Republicans scuttled legislation that would have allowed D.C. greater autonomy over its budget. Democrats withdrew a Senate bill from committee after Rand Paul offered a series of amendments to alter D.C. laws on guns, abortion and labor unions.
** Repubs have attached unrelated amendments to repeal Obamacare itself.
Republicans "objected" to the Bring Jobs Home outsourcing bill because Reid blocked GOP amendments to the bill, including a proposal to repeal the 2010 health-care reform act (Obamacare). Senate Republicans also attempted to amend a small business tax cut bill with language repealing the AHCA.
Any mystery now about Reid's objections?
I could swear that the Democrats do the same thing in attaching amendments to bills.
Get off your partisan ignorance.
So, lets look at your first link:
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Reid also criticized the GOP amendment proposals, and said they are aimed at limiting the bank. Among other things, the GOP bills would eliminate the bank in June 2013, and limit the ability of the bank to make loans. Reid said these are "amendments to kill the bill," and said it makes no sense to consider them given the wide support for reauthorizing the bank.
So, it is Reids opinion that even though these amendments pertain to the bill itself, he has determined that the amendments are only to "kill the bill".
"Kill the bill" seems to be a Progressive talking point, Parrot much?
Your second link:
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The Senate Majority Leader has almost complete control over what bills get brought up for debate, so it is the case that most Republican issues stand no chance of being voted on this session outside the amendment process.
I'm beginning to see a pattern by the Democrat Majority Leader.
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I could swear that the Democrats do the same thing in attaching amendments to bills.
Get off your partisan ignorance.
So, lets look at your first link:So, it is Reids opinion that even though these amendments pertain to the bill itself, he has determined that the amendments are only to "kill the bill".
"Kill the bill" seems to be a Progressive talking point, Parrot much?
Your second link:I'm beginning to see a pattern by the Democrat Majority Leader.
You seem to be totally ignoring the bottomline unprecedented behavior of congressional repubs. Evidently it serves your purpose.
You seem to be totally ignoring the bottomline unprecedented behavior of congressional repubs. Evidently it serves your purpose.
Unprecedented behavior of Congressional Repubs? Coming from the party of "We WON" and "winning has consequences".
This is all you can come back with? Be careful your partisanship is showing through.
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But I get it, you don't get your way on everything so its the Republicans fault.
