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I would rather my tax dollars go for someone's education than a veteran and their family. Nobody made them sign up to join and they get enough benefits as it is.
WTF? You think a foreign student deserves it more than someone who FOUGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY? That's the problem with people they forget those who deserve it. I don't want to pay for a foreign student but definitely a veteran.
If they including this nephew are legal and law abiding why bring them up in this forum? How many lega l foreign student visas given out doesn't have to do with lawbreakers coming over with their hands out. That's not to say that government handouts to legal foreign students wouldn't be a good topic for discussion. No wonder the debt is so incredibly high.
That is the premise of this topic, even calling those on valid visas "criminals"...
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Originally Posted by Idon'tdateyou
WTF? You think a foreign student deserves it more than someone who FOUGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY? That's the problem with people they forget those who deserve it. I don't want to pay for a foreign student but definitely a veteran.
If veterans are going to school full-time after their service, they have usually paid into the G.I. Bill. The VA also has programs to have veterans retrain or adjust to civilian occupations. Point is, especially in the last several years, there is a big educational safety net (and an entire government agency) for them.
Putting the focus on "foreigners" irrespective of being present on a valid visa (which is in the title of the topic, so it is specifically directed at those that are not illegal aliens) shows that this, like many other topics in this section, is not actually about illegal immigration...
That is the premise of this topic, even calling those on valid visas "criminals"...
If veterans are going to school full-time after their service, they have usually paid into the G.I. Bill. The VA also has programs to have veterans retrain or adjust to civilian occupations. Point is, especially in the last several years, there is a big educational safety net (and an entire government agency) for them.
Putting the focus on "foreigners" irrespective of being present on a valid visa (which is in the title of the topic, so it is specifically directed at those that are not illegal aliens) shows that this, like many other topics in this section, is not actually about illegal immigration...
Actually many veterans recently have told me there is a move to cut benefits which is wrong. I don't want a penny to go towards a foreign student, illegal, visa or anyone else. I DEFINITELY don't want money to go towards a foreign student who only comes to study (and never paid in)or an illegal who shouldn't be here. Maybe the case could be made for a legal resident who had been here for years and paid in taxes but the other cases no way.
Actually many veterans recently have told me there is a move to cut benefits which is wrong...
The trend for veterans' benefits is that it is always growing. Do you know what the ROI is for the GI Bill? Pay in 100 dollars per month for a single year, "full-time" (12 semester hours or more) covers 36 months, at well over $1,000 per month.
Note that a veteran (or servicemember) can be a "foreigner", but still served...
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Originally Posted by Idon'tdateyou
...I don't want a penny to go towards a foreign student, illegal, visa or anyone else. I DEFINITELY don't want money to go towards a foreign student who only comes to study (and never paid in)or an illegal who shouldn't be here. Maybe the case could be made for a legal resident who had been here for years and paid in taxes but the other cases no way.
As long as you are properly identifying it is "foreigners" you are railing against here, irrespective of their immigration status. My wife's nephew (all are college-educated) hasn't stayed in the United States or anything like that. I never thought that someone getting a higher education would have complaints (or labels, like calling them "criminals") here.
If they including this nephew are legal and law abiding why bring them up in this forum? How many lega l foreign student visas given out doesn't have to do with lawbreakers coming over with their hands out. That's not to say that government handouts to legal foreign students wouldn't be a good topic for discussion. No wonder the debt is so incredibly high.
Agreed, and what does one's military record have to do with this topic? Yet you/we are referred as being deflectors and going off topic?
The trend for veterans' benefits is that it is always growing. Do you know what the ROI is for the GI Bill? Pay in 100 dollars per month for a single year, "full-time" (12 semester hours or more) covers 36 months, at well over $1,000 per month.
Note that a veteran (or servicemember) can be a "foreigner", but still served...
I don't have a problem with service people getting a free ride, including getting a stipend. They deserve it.
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As long as you are properly identifying it is "foreigners" you are railing against here, irrespective of their immigration status. My wife's nephew (all are college-educated) hasn't stayed in the United States or anything like that. I never thought that someone getting a higher education would have complaints (or labels, like calling them "criminals") here.
I didn't call them criminals, but anyone who comes here to attend college shouldn't get one penny from tax payers. Neither should illegals or legals unless they have been here for years (but didn't move here just to attend college).
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I would rather my tax dollars go for someone's education than a veteran and their family. Nobody made them sign up to join and they get enough benefits as it is.
Uh; vets come 1st IMHO; def over NON US citizens and very def over illegal aliens.
I don't have a problem with service people getting a free ride, including getting a stipend. They deserve it...
The GI Bill is not provided to everyone that has served. You have to pay into the system (almost always the first year of service) to be eligible. The declaration you have made is defining however:
You are saying that in your determination, veterans (and those currently serving) are deserving of a subsidy from others (our society operates heavily in subsidies, there is no way to avoid them, or specifically pay for only exactly what you use)...
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Originally Posted by Idon'tdateyou
...I didn't call them criminals, but anyone who comes here to attend college shouldn't get one penny from tax payers. Neither should illegals or legals unless they have been here for years (but didn't move here just to attend college).
And here you define "foreigners", no matter if legally present, are not deserving educational subsidies provided to citizen students, in your opinion...
The trend for veterans' benefits is that it is always growing. Do you know what the ROI is for the GI Bill? Pay in 100 dollars per month for a single year, "full-time" (12 semester hours or more) covers 36 months, at well over $1,000 per month.
Note that a veteran (or servicemember) can be a "foreigner", but still served...
As long as you are properly identifying it is "foreigners" you are railing against here, irrespective of their immigration status. My wife's nephew (all are college-educated) hasn't stayed in the United States or anything like that. I never thought that someone getting a higher education would have complaints (or labels, like calling them "criminals") here.
Big difference if they're paying their own way for that higher education or mooching off the taxpayers for it.
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