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Old 11-01-2021, 02:53 PM
 
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As I said, if we actually need workers for "essential" jobs (burger flipping, dish washing aren't two of them nor is leaf blowing, etc.) we will create visas for skilled foreigners to come here legally to do them. Since we haven't done that it's a tell all that the employers just prefer cheap, illegal workers instead to increase their profits and that allowing poor, unskilled and uneducated illegals to stay here and retain them is a burden on our society cost wise and in many other ways. Truck driving isn't a low skilled, low paying job. Gas prices are really high right now (thanks Biden) and it cuts into the profits of a truck driver.

Let them low waged jobs die with only a limited number of them to remain that our American youth, less educated Americans and Americans looking to supplement their wages can fill. Jobs openings should be based on the number of Americans to fill them and only a limited number of legal immigrants.
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Old 11-01-2021, 02:58 PM
 
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Jobs openings should be based on the number of Americans to fill them and only a limited number of legal immigrants.
LOL. Only in Soviet Russia comrade. Here in America the free market dictates labor needs and job openings.
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Old 11-01-2021, 03:24 PM
 
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Why have job openings where there isn't labor to fill them legally and without massive population growth via "immigration" which creates a whole new set of problems. It's capitalism gone awry. Nothing communistic about it. It's common sense! Free market doesn't include hiring illegal aliens either as it's against the law and capitalism doesn't override our laws.
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Old 11-01-2021, 04:07 PM
 
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Off topic on illegal immigration but since the so-called labor shortage in the trucking industry was mentioned here's an interesting article about the truck driving industry in Calif.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...e/#more-218447
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Old 11-01-2021, 06:10 PM
 
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Off topic on illegal immigration but since the so-called labor shortage in the trucking industry was mentioned here's an interesting article about the truck driving industry in Calif.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...e/#more-218447
If Biden was a good President, he'd ask California to temporarily not enforce those rules. Problem is that he is not a good President. With this and illegal immigration, and a bunch of other things, he's starting to look worse than Trump to me.
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Old 11-01-2021, 08:20 PM
 
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LOL. Only in Soviet Russia comrade. Here in America the free market dictates labor needs and job openings.
Illegal immigrants, like all illegal activities, are not part of the free market. In fact they harm the free market.
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Old 11-01-2021, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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Illegal immigrants, like all illegal activities, are not part of the free market. In fact they harm the free market.
Not as much as restricting immigration does. Economists would tell you that illegal immigration is the byproduct of market inefficiencies, and more specifically those caused by our restrictive immigration laws.
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Old 11-02-2021, 06:08 AM
 
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The U.S. is not restricting immigration for those we actually need. We allow in over 1 million legal immigrants a year. Quotas are set in the numbers that we actually need while keeping population growth in mind, our ability to provide them with jobs and resources without it negatively impacting our own citizens. Never should we be allowing in among those quotas the poor, uneducated and unskilled as they are a fiscal burden to our society.

Just because the greedy employers are demanding cheap, complacent labor to make themselves richer is not reason to increase our immigration quotas nor is "rampant" Capitalism. Economists are among those who demand the same. It's self-serving and not in the best interests of our society as a whole it's all about the money that only benefits them. There is no true labor shortage based on the above. Our job market should reflect the number of citizens and legal immigrants who can fill them without saturating the market with low waged jobs whereby those who hold them have to have their living expenses subsidized by the taxpayer.
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Old 11-02-2021, 07:21 AM
 
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The U.S. is not restricting immigration for those we actually need. We allow in over 1 million legal immigrants a year. Quotas are set in the numbers that we actually need while keeping population growth in mind, our ability to provide them with jobs and resources without it negatively impacting our own citizens. Never should we be allowing in among those quotas the poor, uneducated and unskilled as they are a fiscal burden to our society.

Just because the greedy employers are demanding cheap, complacent labor to make themselves richer is not reason to increase our immigration quotas nor is "rampant" Capitalism. Economists are among those who demand the same. It's self-serving and not in the best interests of our society as a whole it's all about the money that only benefits them. There is no true labor shortage based on the above. Our job market should reflect the number of citizens and legal immigrants who can fill them without saturating the market with low waged jobs whereby those who hold them have to have their living expenses subsidized by the taxpayer.
It sounds to me that you’re advocating for an acceleration of automation, self-driven semi trucks, etc.
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Old 11-02-2021, 08:37 AM
 
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Reading comprehension isn't some people's stronger points and their attempts to twist things to their own meanings is laughable to say the least. In "some" cases automation does make sense rather than paying someone minimum wage or less and having the taxpayer subsidize their living costs. I'm all for automation for farming jobs especially crop picking because it's back breaking work, out in the sun all day and shortens your lifespan and health and therefore increases our healthcare costs.

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