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Old 05-09-2009, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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The citizens have spoken; yet, the court overrules in favor of cheap illegal labor. Does anyone still doubt the agenda of these IA profiteers?

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St. Helens, OR – A controversial ballot measure that passed in Columbia County last fall won’t become law after all. This week, Circuit Court Judge Ted Grove ruled the plan to slap employers with mandatory $10,000 fines for hiring undocumented workers oversteps the county’s authority because immigration enforcement is a federal issue.

"Our challenge is to show how united we are in wanting Congress to do its job in passing safe and sane immigration reform that works, for all of this country."

While the racial tension is not dead in St. Helens, Westerling believes the ballot measure appears to be.

"The only people that can appeal this are the county, and the county is not wanting to see a ridiculous law go into effect. So, the county will not be appealing this."
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Old 05-09-2009, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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I think this is what the judicial power check is there for, to avoid a problem with democracy. In this case, that a local majority wants to enact laws that prejudice a minority. A majority so local that it doesn't even extend to the county.

It's probably also trying to protect the businesses from loosing out to other businesses in the neighbouring cities. Since this was a city law, it would probably just cause the employers not to hire immigrants, the immigrants would move to the nearby cities, and the city's businesses would suffer.
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Old 05-09-2009, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I think this is what the judicial power check is there for, to avoid a problem with democracy. In this case, that a local majority wants to enact laws that prejudice a minority. A majority so local that it doesn't even extend to the county.

It's probably also trying to protect the businesses from loosing out to other businesses in the neighbouring cities. Since this was a city law, it would probably just cause the employers not to hire immigrants, the immigrants would move to the nearby cities, and the city's businesses would suffer.
In a couple of words:

Oh well.

Illegal aliens do not count as a 'minority'------------they are criminals and need to be dealt with accordingly.
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Old 05-09-2009, 12:36 PM
 
Location: The Wine Country, CA
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I think this is what the judicial power check is there for, to avoid a problem with democracy. In this case, that a local majority wants to enact laws that prejudice a minority. A majority so local that it doesn't even extend to the county.

It's probably also trying to protect the businesses from loosing out to other businesses in the neighbouring cities. Since this was a city law, it would probably just cause the employers not to hire immigrants, the immigrants would move to the nearby cities, and the city's businesses would suffer.
Oh Please!!! The voters spoke and an activist Pro-Illegal judge overturned the will of the people.. ONCE again!! Similar to the 1998 ruling against California voter approved Prop 187..

Also, hiring "Immigrants" is not the issue, it is the hiring of Illegal Aliens who use fraudulent SSN's so that the employers can save money..
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Old 05-09-2009, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Oh Please!!! The voters spoke and an activist Pro-Illegal judge overturned the will of the people.. ONCE again!! Similar to the 1998 ruling against California voter approved Prop 187..

Also, hiring "Immigrants" is not the issue, it is the hiring of Illegal Aliens who use fraudulent SSN's so that the employers can save money..
Exactly! Can't rep you, gotta spread the love.
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Old 05-09-2009, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Originally Posted by Kellem View Post
I think this is what the judicial power check is there for, to avoid a problem with democracy. In this case, that a local majority wants to enact laws that prejudice a minority. A majority so local that it doesn't even extend to the county.

It's probably also trying to protect the businesses from loosing out to other businesses in the neighbouring cities. Since this was a city law, it would probably just cause the employers not to hire immigrants, the immigrants would move to the nearby cities, and the city's businesses would suffer.
How does the enforcement of our laws constitute “a problem with democracy?” Moreover, the fact that illegal aliens are considered a “minority” does not give them carte blanche to violate our laws.

The only 'protection' they are offering, is protection against illegal employers losing their cheap labor.
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Old 05-09-2009, 12:55 PM
 
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Exactly! Can't rep you, gotta spread the love.
Now, now don't be too hard on him/her. If they don't support themselves, friends and family members who will
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Old 05-09-2009, 05:25 PM
 
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This happens all too often. It happened in California with Prop 187, and it happens all over the U.S. in city after city where citizens vote for legilslation, only to have some judge overturn it.

This is why I've stopped getting excited anytime a city passes any anti-illegal immigration legislation. I know there's a good chance it will be overturned.

What's the point in even having a democratic vote anymore if one judge can overturn it?
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Old 05-09-2009, 07:30 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I think this is what the judicial power check is there for, to avoid a problem with democracy. In this case, that a local majority wants to enact laws that prejudice a minority. A majority so local that it doesn't even extend to the county.

It's probably also trying to protect the businesses from loosing out to other businesses in the neighbouring cities. Since this was a city law, it would probably just cause the employers not to hire immigrants, the immigrants would move to the nearby cities, and the city's businesses would suffer.
There are immigrants and there are illegal immigrants. This logic can be used to someone using the ATM and someone using the teller with a gun. Both are withdrawing cash.
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Old 05-09-2009, 07:32 PM
 
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There are immigrants and there are illegal immigrants. This logic can be used to someone using the ATM and someone using the teller with a gun. Both are withdrawing cash.


He shoots, he scores. The things they come up with to defend the indefensible have fast become an opening for new punchlines
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