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Old 09-04-2009, 02:32 PM
 
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I strongly doubt that...........if anything; with our high unemployment rate--------it is becoming riskier all the time to hire illegals.
Yeah, I could see that. But I'm talking about immigration in general, not only employment. Like during prohibition, enforcement led to increased crime. Or even on this current war on drugs, this enforcement on Mary Jane made problems worse. I guess there needs to be some enforcement though, just how much I don't know.
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Old 09-04-2009, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Yeah, I could see that. But I'm talking about immigration in general, not only employment. Like during prohibition, enforcement led to increased crime. Or even on this current war on drugs, this enforcement on Mary Jane made problems worse. I guess there needs to be some enforcement though, just how much I don't know.
Points all well taken.

Although; with no enforcement against illegal immigration--------this country would collapse within a year or two.

Better to have some illegals slip away via stern enforcement than be flooded by tens of millions within 1 year.
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Old 09-06-2009, 11:35 AM
 
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Points all well taken.

Although; with no enforcement against illegal immigration--------this country would collapse within a year or two.

Better to have some illegals slip away via stern enforcement than be flooded by tens of millions within 1 year.
Enforcement that is not tempered by the market (for lack of a better word) leads to increased crime. Supply and demand. If demand is high and supply is low, then the ability to satisfy demand is harder. Those with the ability (coyotes) thus control this aspect of immigration. The border becomes a cat and mouse game, in which we spend more and more money to try to stop coyotes. Meanwhile with high demand and low supply, costs rise giving more money to said criminals.

We know this will happen, because it has already happened with the drug wars in Mexico. Supply (Mexico) was stopped from reaching demand (drug users)...prices went up in certain markets (44% wholesale cocaine prices in 2007...the start of the drug wars). Thus, those that benefit were the criminals.

Of course enforcement is needed, but too much will lead to increased crime...we've seen it before.
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Old 09-06-2009, 03:06 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Enforcement that is not tempered by the market (for lack of a better word) leads to increased crime. Supply and demand. If demand is high and supply is low, then the ability to satisfy demand is harder. Those with the ability (coyotes) thus control this aspect of immigration. The border becomes a cat and mouse game, in which we spend more and more money to try to stop coyotes. Meanwhile with high demand and low supply, costs rise giving more money to said criminals.

We know this will happen, because it has already happened with the drug wars in Mexico. Supply (Mexico) was stopped from reaching demand (drug users)...prices went up in certain markets (44% wholesale cocaine prices in 2007...the start of the drug wars). Thus, those that benefit were the criminals.

Of course enforcement is needed, but too much will lead to increased crime...we've seen it before.
Over one million illegals have self deported. The draw is now social services not jobs. There is no market for iIlegals in the US, there is a saturation of Illegals without jobs.
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Old 09-07-2009, 12:23 AM
 
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Over one million illegals have self deported. The draw is now social services not jobs. There is no market for iIlegals in the US, there is a saturation of Illegals without jobs.
By the fact that they are coming over means that there is a market. The "consumers" are the illegal immigrants themselves, the product is America.
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Old 09-07-2009, 12:53 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Mexico must be a sorry place to want to leave it so bad you would expose your wife and family to the depradations of coyotes and the prospect of living your life in fear looking over your shoulder for ICE. But I guess the later is not too big a concern as the Federal government is not too interested in aggressively stopping them.
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Old 09-07-2009, 06:44 AM
 
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On Friday, deputies went to a Lancaster home and arrested 27-year-old Raul Enrique Ibarra, whom they say raped the woman inside the vehicle. He is being held at Central Detention Center in San Bernardino on suspicion of kidnapping and rape. ICE has also placed a no-bail immigration hold on him.

these Ibrra's are well know family that has been busted for many facets of human traficing, most notable was a bust for making illegal ID's! the story was they went to jail and when they got out did it all over again. and again still, we need put them in jail forever.
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Old 09-07-2009, 06:57 AM
 
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Enforcement that is not tempered by the market (for lack of a better word) leads to increased crime. Supply and demand. If demand is high and supply is low, then the ability to satisfy demand is harder. Those with the ability (coyotes) thus control this aspect of immigration. The border becomes a cat and mouse game, in which we spend more and more money to try to stop coyotes. Meanwhile with high demand and low supply, costs rise giving more money to said criminals.

We know this will happen, because it has already happened with the drug wars in Mexico. Supply (Mexico) was stopped from reaching demand (drug users)...prices went up in certain markets (44% wholesale cocaine prices in 2007...the start of the drug wars). Thus, those that benefit were the criminals.

Of course enforcement is needed, but too much will lead to increased crime...we've seen it before.
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Supply and Demand? and then the value goes up Wages, then if thats the case we americans can have our jobs back ? just think quality of life restored.
Drug wars, mexico needs to fix itself and the people need to take back their beloved country.

The only thing that leads to crimes is when we cutoff the welfair and jobs.
Be sure it is happening now. lots of us are ready.
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Old 09-07-2009, 10:00 AM
 
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Supply and Demand? and then the value goes up Wages, then if thats the case we americans can have our jobs back ? just think quality of life restored.
Drug wars, mexico needs to fix itself and the people need to take back their beloved country.

The only thing that leads to crimes is when we cutoff the welfair and jobs.
Be sure it is happening now. lots of us are ready.
How can Mexico fix itself when WE encourage bad economic practices and policies SOB? Remember de La Madrid, Portillo, and Salinas (the 1980s). They heralded in policies to support US interests and liberalize the markets so that US companies can compete. What happened is that the wealth gap increased.

The IMF and World Banks are even worse at helping. Look at what happened to Argentina and Jamaica.

The reality is that the developing nations need help from the developed nations. Since it is partly the fault of the developed nations.

BTW, read up on what I mean by Supply and Demand...because you are looking at it from the wrong prism. To understand illegal immigration, you have to look from ALL perspectives.

The drug wars are also because WE CONSUME Mexican drugs. Again, it's all supply and demand.
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Old 09-07-2009, 10:17 AM
 
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How can Mexico fix itself when WE encourage bad economic practices and policies SOB? Remember de La Madrid, Portillo, and Salinas (the 1980s). They heralded in policies to support US interests and liberalize the markets so that US companies can compete. What happened is that the wealth gap increased.

The IMF and World Banks are even worse at helping. Look at what happened to Argentina and Jamaica.

The reality is that the developing nations need help from the developed nations. Since it is partly the fault of the developed nations.

BTW, read up on what I mean by Supply and Demand...because you are looking at it from the wrong prism. To understand illegal immigration, you have to look from ALL perspectives.

The drug wars are also because WE CONSUME Mexican drugs. Again, it's all supply and demand.
Has there ever been an occasion when people south of the border have accepted any personal responsibility for the situation they are in?
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