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ROFL! It's 'sheer fact', not 'shear fact', Einstein.
Look, your grammar is HORRIBLE. Stay on topic.
There are those who attempt to conceal their hatred of 'the West' and by default those blue-eyed devils, the white folk, behind all kinds of supposedly intellectual window dressing, but it does not take much for the veneer to wear thin and their true ethnocentrism and racism to show through.
ROFL...you wrote a run on sentence!!! Wow Oppenheimer!!! As I was saying, before being interrupted by a person throwing rocks inside a glass house, many of your arguments exude a notion of superioirty. This creates an us-vs.-them dimension. Thus, an ethnocentrist bent arises. The narrative against this 'bent' is not meant to be against "those blue-eyed devils". Rather, against the ideas that perpetuate a caste system steeming from percieved ills.
Much talk on this forum is about a 'third world mentality'. This term is used as a perjorative. Posters, whom you agreed with, would often times describe other cultures as primitive. It stands to reason, with comments like these being made, that much of this forum simply spews racist dribble. In reality, many on your side contain a thin veneer in which true ethnocentrism and racism shows through.
With that being said, I personally feel the majority are not intolerant. However, they have been swept up in this culture of hyper-sensationalism. We live in a culture of shock media. Currently, our media is decreased to mere headlines and half truths. The current push against healthcare reform reflects our shock media culture. Joe Wilson's "You lie" has become the rallying cry for many anti-immigration activist (be they anti-illegal or anti-legal). However, despite the fact that Obama did not lie, many continue to use this mantra today. You continually post shocking headlines that have some serious flaws or bias. This trend permeates within our culture. If it continues to do so, we will essentially continue to feed those that have a vested interest in maintianing the current power structure.
Be it healthcare, defense, or even housing, there are vested interests in maintaining fear. Insurance companies need to justify high rates. Defense contractors need continually expand in order to please share holders. Developers need to justify why they build in exurban areas. Fear, ethnocentrism, and racism contribute to the national economy. So does education, compassion, and acceptance.
The current segment of the population that has the fastest rising purchasing power are Hispanics. Followed by Asians. These two groups also share similarities in how they assimilate. By third generation, both groups are typically self described as fully assimilated. Income levels for Asians are higher than for Whites. By third/fourth generation for Hispanics, income levels are around the same level as Whites. Funding for education for illegal immigrants means an investment in a growing, arge market. It means that both sides benefit; business revenue will increase as well as standard of living.
An ethnocentrist narrative will only serve to create a 'god/clod' system. This system is devoid of a middle class, crucial to preservation as a nation. By funding for the future, we as a nation can continue to thrive.
Agreed. That basic world view, stated in its simplest terms, is that "our evil deeds, shortcomings, inhumanity, selfishness, and stupid decisions are 'our fault'.....Now, in the case of THEIR evil deeds? Their shortcomings? Their inhumanity, selfishness, and stupid decsisions? Well, THOSE are our fault, too..of course".
Ironically, it's actually the opposite view that is the simplistic view. NOT acknowledging what we have done. NOT having a global understanding of how our actions affect others.
This may be a simplistic statement, (on a public forum, what ISN'T ?). Nevertheless, this does explain a great deal of what forms the world view of some folks.
Exactly. It shows that the scope of some is limited to only flags and blind patriotism.
This being the case, I see little chance of ever reaching any sort of mutual understanding. If the West bears TOTAL responsibility for the tragedy of the human condition, what more is there to discuss? And what does that say about the 'non-West'?
Never said that. However, many don't even acknowledge what the West does in terms of perpetuating tragedy. It's not anti-American to be critical. In fact, this is a very American trait. We must be critical of policies and practices that may harm others. Currently, we really aren't. What can 'the East' (global south is the correct term) do? We have the largest military and economy. We dictate terms of trade and governence in much of the world.
Do we do only evil? No. I never said anything along those lines. In fact we do some good in the world. Our motives may not be pure, but good does occur.
It's like attempting to discuss Real Estate law with someone who doesn't believe in the concept of owning private property. You can "discuss all day long", in that case, and you'd get absolutely nowhere...
It's more akin to trying to describe colors to a stubborn blind person. You point out facts and show how the global power structure is, but they feel that they have it all figured out. Clutching to flags, antiquated ideals, and fear.
ROFL! It's 'sheer fact', not 'shear fact', Einstein.
Look, your grammar is HORRIBLE. Stay on topic.
There are those who attempt to conceal their hatred of 'the West' and by default those blue-eyed devils, the white folk, behind all kinds of supposedly intellectual window dressing, but it does not take much for the veneer to wear thin and their true ethnocentrism and racism to show through.
ROFL...you wrote a run on sentence!!! Wow Oppenheimer!!! As I was saying, before being interrupted by a person throwing rocks inside a glass house, many of your arguments exude a notion of superioirty. This creates an us-vs.-them dimension. Thus, an ethnocentrist bent arises. The narrative against this 'bent' is not meant to be against "those blue-eyed devils". Rather, against the ideas that perpetuate a caste system steeming from percieved ills.
Much talk on this forum is about a 'third world mentality'. This term is used as a perjorative. Posters, whom you agreed with, would often times describe other cultures as primitive. It stands to reason, with comments like these being made, that much of this forum simply spews racist dribble. In reality, many on your side contain a thin veneer in which true ethnocentrism and racism shows through.
With that being said, I personally feel the majority are not intolerant. However, they have been swept up in this culture of hyper-sensationalism. We live in a culture of shock media. Currently, our media is decreased to mere headlines and half truths. The current push against healthcare reform reflects our shock media culture. Joe Wilson's "You lie" has become the rallying cry for many anti-immigration activist (be they anti-illegal or anti-legal). However, despite the fact that Obama did not lie, many continue to use this mantra today. You continually post shocking headlines that have some serious flaws or bias. This trend permeates within our culture. If it continues to do so, we will essentially continue to feed those that have a vested interest in maintianing the current power structure.
Be it healthcare, defense, or even housing, there are vested interests in maintaining fear. Insurance companies need to justify high rates. Defense contractors need continually expand in order to please share holders. Developers need to justify why they build in exurban areas. Fear, ethnocentrism, and racism contribute to the national economy. So does education, compassion, and acceptance.
The current segment of the population that has the fastest rising purchasing power are Hispanics. Followed by Asians. These two groups also share similarities in how they assimilate. By third generation, both groups are typically self described as fully assimilated. Income levels for Asians are higher than for Whites. By third/fourth generation for Hispanics, income levels are around the same level as Whites. Funding for education for illegal immigrants means an investment in a growing, arge market. It means that both sides benefit; business revenue will increase as well as standard of living.
An ethnocentrist narrative will only serve to create a 'god/clod' system. This system is devoid of a middle class, crucial to preservation as a nation. By funding for the future, we as a nation can continue to thrive.
The US and it's tax payers cannot afford a rolling block of 1st and 2nd generation Illegal Immigrants that haven't assimilated. That is a rolling block of forty or more years of people costing us more than they contribute. No thanks.
The US and it's tax payers cannot afford a rolling block of 1st and 2nd generation Illegal Immigrants that haven't assimilated. That is a rolling block of forty or more years of people costing us more than they contribute. No thanks.
See previous posts concerning this. One stating that 40% of University of California undergrads are 2nd generation. 51% (a majority) are either first or second. This is at the nation's best public school system of over 200,000 students. Being in SoCal, these are your doctors, lawyers, executives, scientists, and administrators. Albeit immigrants in general, however, with an effort towards effective education, parity can be achieved as quickly with illegal immigrants. 30% of UC students were considered lower class or working class...programs that aid these communities work, if we allow them to exist.
I'd just like to remind everyone to remain respectful (or in some cases: start being respectful). Also grammar and/or spelling is hardly on topic or mature, and any attempts at mockery from now on will be treated as off topic personal attacks.
Discuss the topic, don't act like politicians. You all hate the way they twist words and avoid real answers, yet you all do the same.
Yac.
My point in this thread is that illegals contribute more than they consume—especially in California. Entire industries are based on low-wage illegal alien labor. California would be MUCH worse off without illegal aliens. (This thread started out in the Calif forum, but probably applies to other states as well). Sure, illegals use some gov't resources (e.g., emergency room usage, public schools, roads, etc.) But they don't use others (social security retirement). I just don't see how this can be refuted.
My point in this thread is that illegals contribute more than they consume—especially in California. Entire industries are based on low-wage illegal alien labor. California would be MUCH worse off without illegal aliens. (This thread started out in the Calif forum, but probably applies to other states as well). Sure, illegals use some gov't resources (e.g., emergency room usage, public schools, roads, etc.) But they don't use others (social security retirement). I just don't see how this can be refuted.
Got a viable link proving that illegal aliens are an asset rather than a liability to regular Americans? Corrupt and greedy employers profiting from their cheap labor doesn't count. If you think that these employers are passing any of their profits on to the consumer in the way of cheaper prices you aren't dealing in reality.
What about the rule of law? Does that not mean anything to you? If we need foreign labor then employers can petition for immigrants to come here legally for those jobs. They don't because it is cheaper to hire illegals and a lot cheaper than hiring Americans. Most blue collar jobs an American will do for a fair wage. So you believe in breaking laws for profit? You believe in uncontrolled illegal immigration and open and unsecured borders? You don't think that these added millions to our populatiion depletes our natural resources, overcrowds and bankrupst our hospitals and schools? You think it fair that these illegals are mostly Mexicans and other Latinos rather than fair quotas for legal immigration from different nationalities and ethnic groups?
You think it fine that these illegals are coming without benefit of health checks and background checks? Ok to steal I.D.'s and SS numbers to work here? You think thats ok because they supposedly can't collect on it yet an American's credit can be ruined and the government going after them for taxes on income they never earned themselves? Its ok that we have to pay for the birthing of their numberous babies and their other health issues? I could go on but you get my drift.
Got a viable link proving that illegal aliens are an asset rather than a liability to regular Americans? Corrupt and greedy employers profiting from their cheap labor doesn't count. If you think that these employers are passing any of their profits on to the consumer in the way of cheaper prices you aren't dealing in reality.
What about the rule of law? Does that not mean anything to you? If we need foreign labor then employers can petition for immigrants to come here legally for those jobs. They don't because it is cheaper to hire illegals and a lot cheaper than hiring Americans. Most blue collar jobs an American will do for a fair wage. So you believe in breaking laws for profit? You believe in uncontrolled illegal immigration and open and unsecured borders? You don't think that these added millions to our populatiion depletes our natural resources, overcrowds and bankrupst our hospitals and schools? You think it fair that these illegals are mostly Mexicans and other Latinos rather than fair quotas for legal immigration from different nationalities and ethnic groups?
You think it fine that these illegals are coming without benefit of health checks and background checks? Ok to steal I.D.'s and SS numbers to work here? You think thats ok because they supposedly can't collect on it yet an American's credit can be ruined and the government going after them for taxes on income they never earned themselves? Its ok that we have to pay for the birthing of their numberous babies and their other health issues? I could go on but you get my drift.
Agreed!
Some businesses profit from using illegal labor. This has very little impact or relief to the average citizen. The numbers are out there, we tax payers are subsidizing the businesses illegal labor to the sum of billions per year. No one can dispute that. There are numbers and actual people sitting in our class rooms, ERs, on our freeways and lined up for social services. People that are costing us and aren't supposed to be here.
What is the definition of immigrant? Define immigrant. The definition does not include legality.
What you just stated is a textbook example of lying by omission---------which is a slap in the face to those folks who came here legally. Be they Mexican or anybody else.
There are those who attempt to conceal their hatred of 'the West' and by default those blue-eyed devils, the white folk, behind all kinds of supposedly intellectual window dressing, but it does not take much for the veneer to wear thin and their true ethnocentrism and racism to show through.
Never mind that the 'blue eyed devil' is the gold standard of Hispanic culture.
la raza=hypocrite losers.
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Be they Mexican or anybody else.