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Old 04-23-2010, 11:19 AM
 
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4th Amendment of the Constitution states

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Searching someone based on their ethnic features is not probably cause. Supporters of the bill will respond by saying that this law only applies to citizens. Correct, so if they search just one American citizen, they have violated the Constitution. Aren't the supporters of this law the same people who cry about their freedoms being taken away?

 
Old 04-23-2010, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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4th Amendment of the Constitution states

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Searching someone based on their ethnic features is not probably cause. Supporters of the bill will respond by saying that this law only applies to citizens. Correct, so if they search just one American citizen, they have violated the Constitution. Aren't the supporters of this law the same people who cry about their freedoms being taken away?
In the Tea Baggers """Real America""" Constitutional Rights are for """Real Americans""", not minorities.
 
Old 04-23-2010, 11:22 AM
 
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Aren't the supporters of this law the same people who cry about their freedoms being taken away?
There is an exception for brown people.

Personally, if I catch anyone singing Danny Boy, I'm making a citizens arrest.
 
Old 04-23-2010, 11:22 AM
 
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Show me the section of law that defines probable cause as ethnic features.
 
Old 04-23-2010, 11:23 AM
 
Location: North America
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4th Amendment of the Constitution states

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Searching someone based on their ethnic features is not probably cause. Supporters of the bill will respond by saying that this law only applies to citizens. Correct, so if they search just one American citizen, they have violated the Constitution. Aren't the supporters of this law the same people who cry about their freedoms being taken away?

They only do when it suits them.
 
Old 04-23-2010, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Denver
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There is an exception for brown people.

Personally, if I catch anyone singing Danny Boy, I'm making a citizens arrest.
This.
 
Old 04-23-2010, 11:24 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Show me the section of law that defines probable cause as ethnic features.
How else do they plan to enforce it? How have they been doing it?
 
Old 04-23-2010, 11:25 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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4th Amendment of the Constitution states

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Searching someone based on their ethnic features is not probably cause. Supporters of the bill will respond by saying that this law only applies to citizens. Correct, so if they search just one American citizen, they have violated the Constitution. Aren't the supporters of this law the same people who cry about their freedoms being taken away?
I wonder why they had to push this new law? Any experts?
 
Old 04-23-2010, 11:26 AM
 
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Show me the section of law that defines probable cause as ethnic features.
What criteria will law enforcement use to search individuals? Do tell? The only way this law will achieve it's goal is to violate the constitution. Otherwise it's an effective and worthless law.
 
Old 04-23-2010, 11:27 AM
 
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Russell Pearce (author of the bill) is very suspect.
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