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Could be, but you do admit other cultures have much more male aggression towards women right?
And in any country, males in packs can be much more aggressive, it is not just a Mexican thing.
I agree that other cultures have more male aggression - no argument here on that. I do however question any woman who is flattered by the sort of attention we are talking about here - I know of no self-respecting woman in any culture or country I have visited or lived in who isn't disturbed by packs of strange men exhibiting this sort of animalistic behavior. You, as having been blessed a male, will never appreciate this phenomenon and how unsettling it can be.
Could be, but you do admit other cultures have much more male aggression towards women right?
And in any country, males in packs can be much more aggressive, it is not just a Mexican thing.
Of course you're right-it's not "just a Mexican thing". Mexicans get the BLAME here in the US because they're right HERE, to hold up in contrast with the "local" US culture. Actually, though, Mexicans are probably more "normal" in this regard than the US is, on a world-wide comparison.
The fact is that in Mexico, just a few years ago, no self-respecting female traveled alone if it could possibly be avoided. To do so was to invite trouble. It was even a factor here in the US until recent decades, but certainly more so in Mexico. But even Mexico is light-years ahead of much of the world.
Whether women could be said to "enjoy" this, of course, is open to question. Do some women really enjoy a "macho" guy, more than his counterpart? Of course some do, and some don't.- The relationship between men and women is just too complex for any sort of generalities.
To the insular "American" way of thought, the entire female population of the Middle East should rise up and REBEL against their husbands, and their second-class position in society. Obviously, this isn't going to happen anytime soon. Does this mean "These women ENJOY being abused?"...of course not. But they MAY be more "comfortable" with their second-class status, than with the "scary" idea of CHANGE. It's far too complex subject to lend itself to any simple answers...
But the short answer is yes, pretty obviously, modern Middle-Class American culture does exhibit less aggressive male behavior toward women than most other cultures.
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Lillietta;2121908][ How many times do they have to hear about illegal aliens beating, gang raping, or murdering innocent females or children before they become concerned about the situation?
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The national news shows more American citizens committing horrible crimes than illegals.
Let me tell you why this particular woman is concerned.
I have a son who has already dealt with the consequences of our porous borders. We moved from Texas to California when my son was six years old. He was excelling in school when we left Texas and had been recommended for the gifted and talented program at his school.
My fiance was teaching at UC Riverside at the time, so we moved into an apartment near the University. My son began to attend the local public school. Within two to three days, my son, who had always eagerly looked forward to school days, began to beg me not to make him go. He told me that the other children in his class were mean to him and that the teacher would not intervene in their bullying.
Now I had only seen the office of this school when I enrolled my son. The office staff and people in authority that I saw were a racially diverse lot (African American, Asian, white, and Hispanic) and seemed quite pleasant and everyone was speaking English. This was not the case when I went to see my son's teacher. Because my son was still in kindergarten at this point, I went between the morning and afternoon sessions. My son went to the afternoon session and I thought it would be a good time to get a look at the kids my son said picked on him continuously.
I stood at the door of the locked classroom and knocked. The teacher turned around, looked at me and went back to what she was doing. I knocked again, she turned around and looking extremely exasperated, came and opened the door with an abrupt, "Yes?"
I told her who I was and asked her to help me to understand why my son, who had always loved school, seemed to be having such a difficult time in her class. In a heavily accented (Spanish) voice she told me, "Your son, he needs to try harder." I couldn't believe my ears. I explained to her that we had recently moved from Texas where my son had loved school and never had the problems he seemed to be having at her school. In the same tone of voice she again told me that my son needed to try harder. About that time, children started filing into the classroom chattering excitedly--in Spanish. About 20 kids entered the room and not one of them was speaking English. The teacher proceeded to tell them to take their seats quietly--in Spanish!
My poor little blonde headed, blue eyed son was the only American kid in the classroom. I found out from him later that the kids refused to speak English to him and that they would push him on the playground and that one kid always called him "blue-eyed devil" during recess. (Where do you think he learned that?) During it all, the teacher stood passively by. I yanked him out of that school that day. By the time I left, the entire office staff was thoroughly aware of just how angry I was. I ended up having to put him in a private school, thirty miles from home, at a cost of $400 per month. Needless to say, we moved out of Riverside County as soon as our lease expired.
That my child was unable to receive an American education in an American public school, in an American city, in an American state said more to me than I ever needed to know about illegal immigration. I really hadn't thought much about it up to that point. The town I lived in in Texas had not yet been touched by illegal immigration although that is no longer the case.
At that point, I became an activist.
I wish I could say that I had no further cause to resent illegal aliens, but that is not the case.
I was the victim of a hate crime, perpetuated by illegal aliens and their supporters. During a protest in Maywood, CA, we were directed by the police to the wrong area to park. While walking down the sidewalk with my friends, (two African Americans, one Asian, and one dark haired Caucasian) I was grabbed by a man screaming "Death to the Minutemen" (I am not a Minuteman) and thrown into the crowd of illegal aliens and their socialist supporters. They proceeded to beat me within an inch of my life for the wretched crime of being a blonde haired, blue eyed woman. (My friends were not touched or molested in any way) With the help of one elderly Mexican man who was crying as he repeated to me over and over again, "Lo siento, senorita, lo siento", I finally made it to the police barricade. As the policeman struggled to pull me over the barrier, the crowd continued to try to pull me back to the ground by my hair. Finally, he got me over the barrier and I left a big hank of my hair in someone's hands.
This kind of fits in with a comment I made in another thread about the lack of publicity anytime there is a hate crime against a white person. My rep was then dinged by someone who declared me to be disgraceful, because white people aren't lynched or some such nonsense. There were three network news cameras and reporters right behind the police line as I was hauled across the barrier, my clothes in tatters and bleeding from my lip (I was smacked in the face with a full water bottle by a Mexican man who was screaming "p*ta gringa" in my face as he hit me twice). They had come to interview both sides, but they turned off their cameras and ran. How would it look in Southern California of all places if they had to put a bruised and bleeding white woman who had been beaten by illegal aliens on network TV?
I now have three blown discs in my back and have suffered permanent sciatic nerve damage as a result of the beating. No one was ever arrested and charged even though I identified the man who had thrown me into the crowd.
Are these the kind of neighbors I want? Are these the kind of people I want my children associating with?
Illegal immigration is one of the big reasons we left California.
Let me tell you why this particular woman is concerned.
I have a son who has already dealt with the consequences of our porous borders. We moved from Texas to California when my son was six years old. He was excelling in school when we left Texas and had been recommended for the gifted and talented program at his school.
My fiance was teaching at UC Riverside at the time, so we moved into an apartment near the University. My son began to attend the local public school. Within two to three days, my son, who had always eagerly looked forward to school days, began to beg me not to make him go. He told me that the other children in his class were mean to him and that the teacher would not intervene in their bullying.
Now I had only seen the office of this school when I enrolled my son. The office staff and people in authority that I saw were a racially diverse lot (African American, Asian, white, and Hispanic) and seemed quite pleasant and everyone was speaking English. This was not the case when I went to see my son's teacher. Because my son was still in kindergarten at this point, I went between the morning and afternoon sessions. My son went to the afternoon session and I thought it would be a good time to get a look at the kids my son said picked on him continuously.
I stood at the door of the locked classroom and knocked. The teacher turned around, looked at me and went back to what she was doing. I knocked again, she turned around and looking extremely exasperated, came and opened the door with an abrupt, "Yes?"
I told her who I was and asked her to help me to understand why my son, who had always loved school, seemed to be having such a difficult time in her class. In a heavily accented (Spanish) voice she told me, "Your son, he needs to try harder." I couldn't believe my ears. I explained to her that we had recently moved from Texas were my son had loved school and never had the problems he seemed to be having at her school. In the same tone of voice she again told me that my son needed to try harder. About that time, children started filing into the classroom chattering excitedly--in Spanish. About 20 kids entered the room and not one of them was speaking English. The teacher proceeded to tell them to take their seats quietly--in Spanish!
My poor little blonde headed, blue eyed son was the only American kid in the classroom. I found out from him later that the kids refused to speak English to him and that they would push him on the playground and that one kid always called him "blue-eyed devil" during recess. (Where do you think he learned that?) During it all, the teacher stood passively by. I yanked him out of that school that day. By the time I left, the entire office staff was thoroughly aware of just how angry I was. I ended up having to put him in a private school, thirty miles from home, at a cost of $400 per month. Needless to say, we moved out of Riverside County as soon as our lease expired.
That my child was unable to receive an American education in an American public school, in an American city, in an American state said more to me than I ever needed to know about illegal immigration. I really hadn't thought much about it up to that point. The town I lived in in Texas had not yet been touched by illegal immigration although that is no longer the case.
At that point, I became an activist.
I wish I could say that I had no further cause to resent illegal aliens, but that is not the case.
I was the victim of a hate crime, perpetuated by illegal aliens and their supporters. During a protest in Maywood, CA, we were directed by the police to the wrong area to park. While walking down the sidewalk with my friends, (two African Americans, one Asian, and one dark haired Caucasian) I was grabbed by a man screaming "Death to the Minutemen" (I am not a Minuteman) and thrown into the crowd of illegal aliens and their socialist supporters. They proceeded to beat me within an inch of my life for the wretched crime of being a blonde haired, blue eyed woman. (My friends were not touched or molested in any way) With the help of one elderly Mexican man who was crying as he repeated to me over and over again, "Lo siento, senorita, lo siento", I finally made it to the police barricade. As the policeman struggled to pull me over the barrier, the crowd continued to try to pull me back to the ground by my hair. Finally, he got me over the barrier and I left a big hank of my hair in someone's hands.
This kind of fits in with a comment I made in another thread about the lack of publicity anytime there is a hate crime against a white person. My rep was then dinged by someone who declared me to be disgraceful, because white people aren't lynched or some such nonsense. There were three network news camera right behind the police line as I was hauled across the barrier, my clothes in tatters and bleeding from my lip (I was smacked in the face with a full water bottle by a Mexican man who was screaming "p*ta gringa" in my face as he hit me twice). They had come to interview both sides, but they turned off their cameras and ran. How would it look in Southern California of all places if they had to put a bruised and bleeding white woman who had been beaten by illegal aliens on network TV?
I now have three blown discs in my back and have suffered permanent sciatic nerve damage as a result of the beating. No one was ever arrested and charged even though I identified the man who had thrown me into the crowd.
Are these the kind of neighbors I want? Are these the kind of people I want my children associating with?
Illegal immigration is one of the big reasons we left California.
Wow. I never knew Kele. I'm so sorry for the pain you have gone through. Normally, I would look at a post like this a some fabrication, but I respect your intelligence and believe you. I am sorry for what you went through.
These are the kinds of things that I am afraid of for my daughter and wife; even myself. Be well. I am glad that you are okay.
Kele, what a horrible thing for you and your family to go through. I hope your son is much happier and SAFER at his new school.
Unfortunately, horror stories like yours are becoming much more common, and it's really sad our own government and media for the most part really don't care about what's happening.
Sorry to read this, Kele. You demonstrate quite a strength of character despite your understandable temptation to give in to hatred on your own part. Your post certainly says volumes about ignorance, hatred, racial prejudice, and all-around cloddish behavior---unfortunately, NOT from the "usual suspects"---- which is undoubtedly why the media decided your story probably wasn't "relevant", and stopped filming, lest their viewers get the "wrong idea".
Why? Because women are supposed to be soft and permissive and liberal? Does that mean we're supposed to be doormats too?
LOL! Now that's a good one! In case they hadn't noticed, we aren't all liberal or doormats, are we. Many of us were brought up to be confident, patriot and law abiding citizens that aren't afraid to speak our minds just like the great men that also understand this illegal invasion threat to our country.
Kele, that is horrible what happened to you. I'm glad you're still alive to speak about this. I hope your son is doing better.
I'm a woman and I'm against illegal immigrants. I guess my activism started when my grandfather told me how his family worked so hard to get over here the right way. To hear about the hardships they faced - my great-grandmother never becoming full-fledged American ((Stayed a Legal Polish-National)) because she felt she didn't deserve the honor because she wasn't fluent in English. Couple that with my father's side of the family that came over during the Holocaust...
And I just felt that it's a slap in the face to everyone who has struggled the legal system to come here... while some others just get to hop, skip, and jump over a non-existent border..
Then I started reading stories about Illegals demanding rights in this country; like they were some sort of citizen. It made me sick to my stomache.
Women like myself are more "concerned" with illegal immigration because women are more apt to have a loud and boisterous opinion about everything and anything they don't like or agree with.
Recently, two friends of mine were killed by a drunk driver who was a known illegal (arrested several times before!) who even told the arresting officer he was illegal. He didn't get deported. He gets to enjoy a nice stay in our luxurious jail for the next 24 years from my tax dollars. And I do mean luxurious jail - it has 2 next gen gaming systems with nice TVs and full cable.
Thank you all for your kind words. Please understand that I don't believe that all illegal aliens are capable of the type of despicable behavior I was shown that day in L.A. and for the naysayers, I'm perfectly aware that there are Americans capable of the same type of heinous behavior--the only woman that I saw hit me was a self-loathing, white socialist.
My son was targeted for abuse because of the color of his skin. So was I. Now I don't believe that I deserved that because some white guy enslaved people of color 150 years ago. These two stories illustrate a marked non-assimilation into American society and a lack of respect for Americans in general and unfortunately, it is a sentiment shared far and wide by illegal immigrants, particularly those in California.
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