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Heaven forbid people pay for something they use everyday! Like roads!
Guaranteed whatever people pay in taxes for use of the roads is far, far less than what the actual cost is to keep them up and expand them.
And you keep on bringing out that soon to be dead horse, if only for a couple more beatings. Indy is close to becoming "unaffordable" with the price of gas rising higher. When gas is a solid $5 a gallon and everyone there is acting like it's the apocalypse and their life as they know it is coming to an end, please, please tell them, "But... but... the housing is so cheap!"
Why is it so cheap? Not because of Republicans or Democrats. But because it is that UNDESIRABLE that the prices are so low. Gold and diamonds are more expensive than aluminum not "just because", but because they are more desirable.
I would have thought that staunch Republicans who like to tout "economics" so much would realize that.
Here's a secret... Whitestown, IN is more affordable than Indianapolis. Care to take a stab at that one?
Housing prices has nothing to do with whether or not the city is undesirable. The city's growing so obviously there are plenty who deem as such. You're from here if I'm not mistaken then you should know Indiana is and will always be fiscally conservative so no, housing prices didn't go the way of Chicago, Vegas and Virginia. They didn't artificially inflate for no other reason than for someone to make a bigger profit. They grew/shrunk within perfect norms of what everywhere else should have done as well. As far as roads, we pay for them already via state taxes. Infrastructure is the largest part of Indiana's budget unlike a lot of states where it used to be the largest part is now becoming more and more second fiddle to social programs becoming the largest part of their budget. Unlike Illinois, Indiana has an incur no debt clause in its constitution so it has to be pretty frugal at times since at most, the state can be left with a balanced budget.
The point of a toll is to provide a route that a person can take that shortens their time and actually provides value and to help offset costs in particular for areas that are outside of the norm. A perfect example is 275 in St. Pete heading towards Sarasota, FL. It's $1.00 (soon to be 2) to head over the Sunshine bridge down into Sarasota and on your way to Naples. For a person living in St. Petersburg, could they take the free route and head back 275N cross over into Tampa, hit I-4 to 75S around Brandon and then make their way down to Sarasota? Yes, he/she can but that's over an HOUR (Rush Hour would add an extra 35-40 min) compared to about 35-40 min, just taking 275S over the Sunshine bridge and then merging into 75S in Manatee. The toll also helps offset massive upkeep since you are going over a lot of water and adds a degree of difficulty to upkeep esp. once you hit the bridge which is a few hundred feet up probably.
Indianapolis doesn't have any routes that fit that description. 465 is there originally because hazardous material is not allowed to travel though downtown. Everything is equal distant from downtown. The airport is on the west side and a breeze to get in and out (not like how 294 can get). Hard pressed to find a need for a toll here or at least a toll the people would buy into. Even looking at the 94 Toll heading up Milwaukee, but at least they have the 94 bypass as an alternative (will never take it again though and will just pay the toll from now on).
When I moved here, you weren't even TEN years old. You have no clue about progress made between then and now with the varying neighborhoods. The difference between what Fall Creek Place is now compared to what it was is a complete gentrification of the entire area. It's the same with Fountain Square, Woodruff, Ransom. Even Lockerbie. You don't know because you were too young to care or understand for that matter.
You know what you're right, these neighborhoods have grown immensely since the time that YOU'VE moved here and there's absolutely no room for improvement or growth or change what so ever, Indianapolis is the perfect urban playground than doesn't need any changing. Happy now?
You know what you're right, these neighborhoods have grown immensely since the time that YOU'VE moved here and there's absolutely no room for improvement or growth or change what so ever, Indianapolis is the perfect urban playground than doesn't need any changing. Happy now?
As Msam said you have to look at Indianapolis in the 1960s. Naptown to Super City is the perfect video that reflects on that.
then you look at the Indianapolis 10-15 years ago.
Then look at the Indianapolis of today and what our short term and long term future goals are.
Long Term future goals that i would like to see would be luring more large corporations and jobs to Indy to enlarge the downtown skyscraper footprint and urban amendities. CME group would be a perfect fit to bring to downtown Indy but we would need a new skyscraper. When they looked at our city last year they could ONLY fit in the Chase Tower. That needs to change.
Office space vacancy right now is 17% and falling so thats a good start.
You know what you're right, these neighborhoods have grown immensely since the time that YOU'VE moved here and there's absolutely no room for improvement or growth or change what so ever, Indianapolis is the perfect urban playground than doesn't need any changing.
I don't think he ever said any of that, he used the term gentrifying, which implies it is ongoing.
Actually, this is his exact quoted verbage:
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Originally Posted by msamhunter
The only area outside of downtown that's not doing any type of gentrification is the near west side around Haughville. North, East and Immediate south of the downtown borders are all in gentrification with the most being on the near east side and fountain square (SE).
Great point.
Also NO TOLLS! thats what sets Indy apart from Chicago/NYC/LA etc. They can Toll their citizens all they want but please keep Indy toll Free! it saves our citizens money and hence one of the many reasons Indy is the nations most affordable city. Tolls also take away from disposible income which is spent on the economy.
This just proves how uneducated your posts are. First of all, LA might have one or two toll roads out of the million freeways they have, so your statement about LA is just false. Furthermore, why should the highways be free? I subsidize highways with my tax dollars just like I would for more bus and rail lines, yet if we increase public transit, I have to pay a fare to ride it.
In fact, I suppose this make highways socialist, because I'm forced to be taxed to pay for something I may not use.
This just proves how uneducated your posts are. First of all, LA might have one or two toll roads out of the million freeways they have, so your statement about LA is just false. Furthermore, why should the highways be free? I subsidize highways with my tax dollars just like I would for more bus and rail lines, yet if we increase public transit, I have to pay a fare to ride it.
In fact, I suppose this make highways socialist, because I'm forced to be taxed to pay for something I may not use.
Ive been to LA they have plenty of tolls. not just 1-2
Plus the high taxes/cost of living dont really offer any breathing room when you throw in tolls.
Chicago has plenty of tolls too and their cost of living is very high especially compared to Midwestern Standards.
NYC is the same
Just keep the tolls out of Indy
Msam has a good point too the only toll you could put up is 465. But still NO TOLLS!
Dont spew Chicago Ignorance at me A2DAC lol cause it just makes Chicago look like the collection of an ignorant corrupted society that much more.
And people wonder why i HATE Chicago............
Here's the reality sweetheart:
A private, personal message is just that. Personal. Not just for anybody. See, in the adult world there are boundaries. There are times and places for things. And when I share personal stories and experiences in a private manner, adults usually reciprocate the favor. I know "reciprocate" is a big word but you learn it in Pre-Algebra... wait, you probably aren't even there yet. Hmmmmm... Give back. Do you understand that phrase? Golden Rule type of stuff.
Maybe once you hit puberty you might start to feel like a grown up, and for the love of everything that is Holy, you might actually start to act like it. And maybe the education system in place might teach you how to write at a high school level. Because currently your 12 year old prose is filled with content a 9 year old could muster.
I will only feel safe in retiring once I know that you have left the work force due to age, or forced out through the full blown, incurable case of "Stupidity". I don't have kids now, or maybe even ever, but it would be a disservice (and borderline sabotage) to ever let someone like you take over a vital role in our functioning society while other people's children are still alive and kicking.
And for all the "hopes" :roll eyes: you have of becoming the mayor, I certainly hope your campaign is not built around honesty or integrity, because you certainly showed none of that when you posted a private message I sent you.
So here's the deal darling:
Never, never, NEVER, bring up Chicago when you are trying to peddle Indianapolis. Never. You can't hate something with so much passion that you then turn around and claim it as a positive. That means all future posts from you should never include being close to "Chicago" as a benefit to living in Indianapolis.
Other posters can, and they wouldn't be considered hypocrites. Why? Because other posters don't have such a seething hate for a city that has done things just because it can.
But you, with your utter contempt for the city that pays me 50% for virtually the same job I had in Indy, the city that doesn't tie me down to a car and the ever increasing price of gas, a city that let's me walk literally EVERYWHERE (given I have the time) due to sidewalks on EVERY STREET, a city that lets me live the same lifestyle I did in Indianapolis but with more options, cannot abandon your hate for the city when it suits you to promote what you like.
In fact, that is what a lot of people hate about politicians. Using the good when it's good, and discarding the bad because it doesn't paint a picture as pretty as you would like it to be.
When you grow up you will eventually realize (unless "Stupidity" has fully set in at this prepubescent age) that having everything go your way, the "good" way, will not happen unless you accept the "bad" that balances out the scales. You want Indianapolis to be "world class"? Then people have to give up some things to make it happen. Whether it be space, roads, taxes, etc. It doesn't matter. Every positive has a downside for somebody, somewhere.
Here's my advice for you:
Don't shop Chicago. You hate it so much, do what any Capitalist loving conservative would do, and boycott "Chicago".
Don't buy "Chicago" products. Plain and simple.
Don't ever eat at another McDonald's again. They're based in "Chicago".
Don't got to Bally's.
Don't ride on a Boeing jet.
Don't look on Careerbuilder.com for a job.
Don't trade futures.
Don't read an Encyclopedia Britannica.
Don't use a Groupon
Don't stay at a Hyatt.
Don't watch a movie in a Kerasotes theater.
Don't play a Midway arcade game.
Don't use Morton Salt.
Don't use a GPS that utilizes a NAVTEQ system.
Don't use Orbitz to find a hotel/flight.
Don't hide a Playboy under your bed (as minors are forbidden to do so in the first place.)
Don't eat Quaker Oats.
Don't have a Tootsie Roll.
Don't shop at True Value.
Don't fly United Airlines.
Don't ever use U.S. Cellular.
Don't ever chew a piece of Wrigley gum.
If you do, then you are without a doubt a hypocrite because all those companies, and then some, are based in Chicago. Chicago gets money from those companies. If you really hate the corruption in Chicago, you will boycott those companies, and more (I didn't list them all, only the split-second recognizable ones).
Also, don't try to "get" Chicago companies in Indianapolis, because as you know, Chicago is nothing but "corrupt". So bringing anything from Chicago to Indianapolis will only lead to corruption in Indy, at least in your mind, I assume.
Furthermore, don't misrepresent what Indianapolis, and it's downtown, is. Trying to pretend like the Speedway is downtown when people are asking about, "what to do in downtown", only conflates what is possible within the borders of downtown. Conner Prarie is not "downtown", either. Neither is the Children's Museum Neither is IMA. Doesn't matter if it's close to downtown or not. The fact remains that you constantly misrepresent the city, and it's downtown, in order to feel good about it, for whatever reason (EVEN THOUGH YOU DON'T LIVE THERE, OR ANYWHERE NEAR BROAD RIPPLE OR THE CITY ITSELF).
If you don't feel the need to be REAL and say what the city is lacking, I will pick up the slack (which is plentiful), but don't ever try to sell the city as more than it is. Only when we recognize our flaws can we become better. The same holds true for Indianapolis.
All I expect from you is a "lololololol" because that is apparently your only form of communication(?) and highest level of discourse when you are backed into a corner. I don't hate you for it. No, far from it. I feel sorry for you because here in Chicago (which you hate so much) the people at least REALIZE what is wrong with the city, but yet... they continue to THRIVE.
You want to blame government for your place in life? Good for you. You want to blame Capitalism? Good for you. You want to blame corruption? More power to you. But the fact remains that Chicago, and it's residents PERSEVERE in the end. People still make money. People still own houses with yards and pools and garages. People still have more than one way to get about their city if another becomes unfeasible.
Indianapolis cannot say the same.
So go ahead. Claim all my experiences are based on Chicago "ignorance", and you will never see me post a PRIVATE message from you to me in a public forum. I have more respect for confidentiality than you do.
All I see in Chicago is a city filled with people who are willing to go before 9 and stay after 5 to get things done. So please, claim all of Chicago is as "ignorant" as I am, and watch Indianapolis fall to the wayside.
This city works. This city does things because it can. Indianapolis will never be on the same level as Chicago until it adopts that mindset.
Anyways........ No thoughts on whether or not my plan would actually service the Indianapolis area well with BRT/Rail lines?
At least tell me my maps look pretty or horrendous. After all this was a fantasy map used to help refine my Photoshop skills!
Ive been to LA they have plenty of tolls. not just 1-2
Plus the high taxes/cost of living dont really offer any breathing room when you throw in tolls.
Chicago has plenty of tolls too and their cost of living is very high especially compared to Midwestern Standards.
NYC is the same
Just keep the tolls out of Indy
Msam has a good point too the only toll you could put up is 465. But still NO TOLLS!
I've been to LA multiple times and I'm 100% that the only toll road in the area I ever saw was near the Orange/Riverside county line. Could you name one of these toll roads for me? And could you address the issue of how subsidizing a rail system with tax dollars is any worse than subsidizing a road with tax dollars?
When someone lives in South Bend and tries to represent a tiny neighborhood on the near Northside, let alone the city of Indianapolis, you can rest assured that I'm calling out someone posting "Indianapolis" as their location.
Hell, Kokomo is more "Indianapolis" than South Bend is.
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