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Old 10-22-2018, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Carter Worth - today- says lower by year-end.

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/10/2...Carter%20Worth

He also said we'd have to be perfect to say where we are right now. So, I guess, for me, this will be a flat year - if I'm lucky. I also heard today CEO confidence is lower because of tariffs and interest rates. I read somewhere an anatomy of October 2007 - eerily similar to today. While I don't think we're heading for a crash, the similarities in some areas are worrisome. Deficits are the 2000 lb elephant/wild card.

And, then, Kudlow says Chinese are being intractable - so that issue won't be resolved anytime soon.

Trump Admin has certainly written the playbook on how to ruin what isn't broke.

Grrrrr.................

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Old 10-23-2018, 04:12 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Originally Posted by Ariadne22 View Post
Carter Worth - today- says lower by year-end.

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/10/2...Carter%20Worth

He also said we'd have to be perfect to say where we are right now. So, I guess, for me, this will be a flat year - if I'm lucky. I also heard today CEO confidence is lower because of tariffs and interest rates. I read somewhere an anatomy of October 2007 - eerily similar to today. While I don't think we're heading for a crash, the similarities in some areas are worrisome. Deficits are the 2000 lb elephant/wild card.

And, then, Kudlow says Chinese are being intractable - so that issue won't be resolved anytime soon.

Trump Admin has certainly written the playbook on how to ruin what isn't broke.

Grrrrr.................
Actually things were broken under George W Bush and under Barak H. Obama -- plenty broken -- it's why the outsider Trump was voted in to begin with. And Trump has been doing a good job especially considering that the entire establishment and the media has been on his back (and trying to get him out of office) since he got into office. George W did a bad job and Obama was worse than that. Yeah Obama threw a lot of money at the economy in his early years and we didn't go into a depression but when you borrow as much money as he did you sure ought to have something to show for it. Economic growth was bad under Obama, race relations got worse, illegal immigrants ran wild, and he got us into a whole bunch of wars that we had no business being in. So after looking at that record --- Trump's performance looks pretty good to me.
 
Old 10-23-2018, 06:41 AM
 
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Stocks are cheaper now than on Election Day. Last gdp was 4.2% and Q2 is looking to be north of 3.5%. Earning have exploded and stock prices haven’t kept up. I’m buying here, I just don’t think a recession will hit in the next 2 years, things are still picking up. Industrials are getting very cheap
 
Old 10-23-2018, 06:48 AM
 
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Premarketl Dow down more than 400 at 747 CST
Bad day unless algorhythims decide it is time to buy...
 
Old 10-23-2018, 06:50 AM
 
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Actually things were broken under George W Bush and under Barak H. Obama -- plenty broken -- it's why the outsider Trump was voted in to begin with. And Trump has been doing a good job especially considering that the entire establishment and the media has been on his back (and trying to get him out of office) since he got into office. George W did a bad job and Obama was worse than that. Yeah Obama threw a lot of money at the economy in his early years and we didn't go into a depression but when you borrow as much money as he did you sure ought to have something to show for it. Economic growth was bad under Obama, race relations got worse, illegal immigrants ran wild, and he got us into a whole bunch of wars that we had no business being in. So after looking at that record --- Trump's performance looks pretty good to me.
Kudlow has finally found a listener that believes he is smart
And not the market or the analyst...just Trump and his cabal...
 
Old 10-23-2018, 06:52 AM
 
Location: Formerly Pleasanton Ca, now in Marietta Ga
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I am curious. Many here have posted that they expected a correction. Is this what they were expecting now? Were they going to tine the market and go to cash at the first inkling or just ride it out and keep investing as before ?
 
Old 10-23-2018, 06:58 AM
 
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for me , much ado about nothing . not happy about ever giving back gains but it is what it is .

this is why i want a more defensive model . it does not matter how many up years we have in relation to down years . all that matters is what your balance is when the smoke clears and how long in real return it takes to come back.

markets spend 80% of all their time between the last low and last high .
 
Old 10-23-2018, 07:01 AM
 
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Put 75K in grandson's 529 account last week--still sitting in a MM type account--not as much flexibility to trade/move money/runds around in his 529 as a regular account--only 2 trading opportunities a year--
It took ONE to just put the money into a hold/wait account--
So we are waiting for market to do down
BONDS I meant to say initially--had to edit it--aren't really seeing the benefit of all this negativity
That is a bad sign IMO but I am no "market analyst"

Proshares ultras hot SQQQ was up more than 5% at 8CST today
 
Old 10-23-2018, 07:03 AM
 
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for me , much ado about nothing . not happy about ever giving back gains but it is what it is .

this is why i want a more defensive model . it does not matter how many up years we have in relation to down years . all that matters is what your balance is when the smoke clears and how long in real return it takes to come back.
however,no one lives forever. when do you cash it all in?
 
Old 10-23-2018, 07:04 AM
 
Location: SoCal
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Premarketl Dow down more than 400 at 747 CST
Bad day unless algorhythims decide it is time to buy...
Yep, market will open down today, if Asia and EU are any indication.

AMZN, GOOGL, and V (Visa) are to report earnings after close of market on Thursday. All three have suffered from the October slump. I bet all three will suffer from "buy 'em?" and/or "hold 'em?" decisions by investors between now and close of market on Thursday.

I'm pretty sure everybody will agree that an earnings report can change everything, either way.
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