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I'm not but but that's because I decided not to back in 2000 when the bubble burst. Like I said back then can these jobs be outsourced? Yes or no?
"Any idiot can take pre-written modules and cobble them together into a program that functions only if it is used under very specific conditions. TCS is known for this. "
But not all programmers make a program from scratch. Often times it is simply modifying the code. Heck at my first job I knew a COBOL program that openly stated this. To make new programs from the ground up all the time is not viable. Of course it helps to have someone inhouse but like I said when things are made easier and faster how much longer can a position exist.
"The last job I had where I worked closely with offshore people and in-house TCS (Tata Consulting Services, an Indian firm) consultants, I had daily opportunities to closely scrutinize their code.
No commenting. No error handling of any kind. No flexibility. No restartability. You had to set the system up in an extremely specific manner in order for the code to run without errors, and of course no documentation was provided. No coding standards were followed and no "best practices" of any kind were adhered to. You could tell the modules were all from different authors simply by looking at the style and the use of whitespace. Some of the programmers used camel case, others used Pascal case. Some gave their variables sensible names, others named them "var1," "var2," etc. This lack of standardization makes the code harder to read and harder to support."
Well I know database managers that left places due to a lack of vendor support. Product was fantastic at the start and basically they gradually put support more on the customer rather then themselves.
I would not suggest that just one company is an example of a whole industry. Heck it took Microsoft how long to make a decent OS and then Windows 8 comes out. There's plenty of tech companies that dropped the ball.
I would not suggest that just one company is an example of a whole industry. Heck it took Microsoft how long to make a decent OS and then Windows 8 comes out. There's plenty of tech companies that dropped the ball.
Yeah...that's just one project at one company.
I could write a book about all the other times I've seen this in the last 6-7 years. Didn't want to bore the board with it, but trust me...I have LOTS more examples.
Practices like this are the norm, not the exception.
Both illegal land legal immigrants are exploited by employers and both drive salaries and benefits down. They also undermine unionized labor. The difference is just that the legal immigrants are hired legally and so pay income-taxes and the illegal immigrant (often) pays nothing other than what he pays for his consumption while being in the state. What I find most amusing is that unions, democrats and the media-left actively work for a political and economical policy that leads to lower salaries, lesser benefits and more unemployment among the poor, working-class and partly the young middle class. This is not only the case in United States but all over the Western world. The socialists, greens and liberals – who like to claim they are on the side of “poor” - support policies that is straight out destructive for the working class. You see far-left African-Americans leaders support illegal immigration in solidarity. A world without borders they say. The consequence if of course that poor African-American is displaced from the labor-market.
While this isn't the political forum, let me say that the views people have on illegal immigration aren't as cut and dry as you make it.
In the right, there's a sizable group who favor illegal immigration because these immigrants are a form of cheap labor for businesses. There's also a sizable group who are against illegal immigration because of the drain these immigrants are on government assistance programs.
On the left, there's a sizable group who favor illegal immigration because they're humanitarians who think any and everyone should have the same enumerated rights that American citizens have, by any means necessary. There's also a sizable group who are against illegal immigration because these immigrants drive down the wages for American workers, if they don't put them out of work entirely (thus diminishing the standard of living Americans have). As a liberal African-American born and raised in a manufacturing/labor union town, I stand with the latter group.
Out of all political issues, immigration (and specifically illegal immigration) is probably the only one where folks on both the left and right side of the spectrum will tend to strongly diverge.
Didn't GDP drop by 2.9% 1st quarter of this year? That's the worst in like 8 years I think.
I know I've been having trouble landing contracts in what some describe as high-demand industries.
It seems like the media swept the 2.9% GDP drop under the rug pretty quickly. It may have been politically motivated and it makes you say "hmm." Who knows.
While this isn't the political forum, let me say that the views people have on illegal immigration aren't as cut and dry as you make it.
In the right, there's a sizable group who favor illegal immigration because these immigrants are a form of cheap labor for businesses. There's also a sizable group who are against illegal immigration because of the drain these immigrants are on government assistance programs.
On the left, there's a sizable group who favor illegal immigration because they're humanitarians who think any and everyone should have the same enumerated rights that American citizens have, by any means necessary. There's also a sizable group who are against illegal immigration because these immigrants drive down the wages for American workers, if they don't put them out of work entirely (thus diminishing the standard of living Americans have). As a liberal African-American born and raised in a manufacturing/labor union town, I stand with the latter group.
Out of all political issues, immigration (and specifically illegal immigration) is probably the only one where folks on both the left and right side of the spectrum will tend to strongly diverge.
There is no real difference between the right and left on illegal immigration. The right motivated it with business arguments and the left motivated it with soft arguments about humanism or solidarity. The consequence of both policies will be the same. Inside the Republican Party and right-wing mainstream-media there are those who argue for the abolishment of the welfare state like the libertarians or is even though on illegal immigration but extremely positive to legal immigration regardless of the consequence.
Of course – you have the alternative right like the paleo-conservatives and some social-conservative who is more critical of an open border policy that does not weight unemployment and other issues towards immigration. In fact you see the same thing in Europe. In the European parliament there are 766 MEP among those around 100-150 is critical of unregulated immigration for a bunch of reasons. Some are just critical of unregulated immigration because it distort the labor-market and creates unwanted unemployment among the poor. When the economy turns they are willing to argue for more immigration and then you have all kind of racists and conservatives that have their reasons for being against immigration. My own view is that immigration should be regulated depending on unemployment levels and what kind of labor the country needs.
Sure, you have always to help a few refugees and you cannot stop people from import a wife, husband or child but in general – the idea is that there should be a balance in the immigration policy and in particular in the current economy. I want to see a growth in per capita and not just growth - though I will mention that Exponential growth is impossible in the long run. People with responsible views on politics and in particular immigration – either they are socialists, liberals or conservatives are not allowed to be a part of the general discussion. United States is much better on holding a serious discussion. Western Europe is a mess - you either against immigration or you are either for open borders. There is nothing in between.
That is a massive oversimplification. If corporations are hiring immigrants over natives because they will accept lower pay, than American corporations should be held to task by the country and government. This will not happen as government is in bed with corporate America and their special interest lobbyists. Also, in case you have not noticed, when you try to encourage employers to pay higher wages, you hear a load of conservatives loudly complaining.
The other problem is education. If immigrants are better educated for the positions, i.e., such as jobs requiring a background of science and math, than Americans will have to wake up and realize that education is, in fact, massively important in obtaining employment, stop whining about the costs and begin investing in education. As long as Asian and European countries put more of an emphasis on education than the US, they are going to take a lot of good jobs in this country. Meanwhile we have groups of people in this country condemning higher education as a waste of time. It can be unless people start studying the subjects that employers require. A strong work ethic is also a requisite, and a culture of entitlement to "good positions" does not help.
I've seen this principle in action. A niece and her husband both graduated from a good university in 2008 as the recession and layoffs were in full force. They each had studied math, science, economics and engineering. They each had interned at corporations during summers and were totally focused on working. My niece had worked 2 jobs in high school (tutoring math and swimming instructor). They were each offered excellent positions with high starting salaries and signing bonuses at financial companies in NYC before they had officially graduated, while hundreds were being laid off. Neither were immigrants--just intelligent hard-working American kids. They are still doing exceedingly well, and surprisingly, I've never heard them complaining about how hard it is to find work or that immigrants take all the jobs.
There is no real difference between the right and left on illegal immigration. The right motivated it with business arguments and the left motivated it with soft arguments about humanism or solidarity. The consequence of both policies will be the same. Inside the Republican Party and right-wing mainstream-media there are those who argue for the abolishment of the welfare state like the libertarians or is even though on illegal immigration but extremely positive to legal immigration regardless of the consequence.
Of course – you have the alternative right like the paleo-conservatives and some social-conservative who is more critical of an open border policy that does not weight unemployment and other issues towards immigration. In fact you see the same thing in Europe. In the European parliament there are 766 MEP among those around 100-150 is critical of unregulated immigration for a bunch of reasons. Some are just critical of unregulated immigration because it distort the labor-market and creates unwanted unemployment among the poor. When the economy turns they are willing to argue for more immigration and then you have all kind of racists and conservatives that have their reasons for being against immigration. My own view is that immigration should be regulated depending on unemployment levels and what kind of labor the country needs.
Sure, you have always to help a few refugees and you cannot stop people from import a wife, husband or child but in general – the idea is that there should be a balance in the immigration policy and in particular in the current economy. I want to see a growth in per capita and not just growth - though I will mention that Exponential growth is impossible in the long run. People with responsible views on politics and in particular immigration – either they are socialists, liberals or conservatives are not allowed to be a part of the general discussion. United States is much better on holding a serious discussion. Western Europe is a mess - you either against immigration or you are either for open borders. There is nothing in between.
My point wasn't that there isn't a real difference between the left and right on illegal immigration, but that there's a philosophical split on illegal immigration stances amongst the left as well as amongst the right.
Your previous post suggested that everyone on the left supports illegal immigration for humanitarian reasons, which as I said, is not accurate.
Illegal immigration is a complicated idea. Some countries are war torn, think of Mexico, El Salvador and Guatemala currently, Europe during World War 1 & 2, Yugoslavia in the 90's and southeast Asia during the rise of communism. It's not always about jobs. The problem is due to the immigration quotas and then the long lines which even back in 2010 were 7+ years of backlogged in becoming citizens.
That is a massive oversimplification. If corporations are hiring immigrants over natives because they will accept lower pay, than American corporations should be held to task by the country and government. This will not happen as government is in bed with corporate America and their special interest lobbyists. Also, in case you have not noticed, when you try to encourage employers to pay higher wages, you hear a load of conservatives loudly complaining.
The other problem is education. If immigrants are better educated for the positions, i.e., such as jobs requiring a background of science and math, than Americans will have to wake up and realize that education is, in fact, massively important in obtaining employment, stop whining about the costs and begin investing in education. As long as Asian and European countries put more of an emphasis on education than the US, they are going to take a lot of good jobs in this country. Meanwhile we have groups of people in this country condemning higher education as a waste of time. It can be unless people start studying the subjects that employers require. A strong work ethic is also a requisite, and a culture of entitlement to "good positions" does not help.
I've seen this principle in action. A niece and her husband both graduated from a good university in 2008 as the recession and layoffs were in full force. They each had studied math, science, economics and engineering. They each had interned at corporations during summers and were totally focused on working. My niece had worked 2 jobs in high school (tutoring math and swimming instructor). They were each offered excellent positions with high starting salaries and signing bonuses at financial companies in NYC before they had officially graduated, while hundreds were being laid off. Neither were immigrants--just intelligent hard-working American kids. They are still doing exceedingly well, and surprisingly, I've never heard them complaining about how hard it is to find work or that immigrants take all the jobs.
You apparently are unaware that there are thousands of Americans with advanced degrees in the STEM/IT fields who are not finding work and, in fact, are deliberately being bypassed in favor of foreigners with the same education.
You also seem unaware that these days, smart American kids who would love to work in STEM/IT are being discouraged from going into these fields due to our government bringing in H1-Bs and people like Gates and Zuckerberg lying about there being a shortage of Americans in these fields.
In fact, stories abound about Americans who graduated with STEM/IT degrees and lots of student loan debt who can't find work.
Yes, there are people like your niece who are fortunate enough to find secure jobs but, really, these days that's the exception rather than the rule.
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