[SBender]

Originally Posted by ScoopLV

And I do not see why some people want to lump cigarettes in with mom, apple pie and baseball.

because mom, apple pie and baseball were code words for freedom.

[ScoopLV]

Thank you for proving my theory. It's test the hypothesis day! Joy!

[SBender]

You just proved mine as well, good night comrade!

[tijlover]

Originally Posted by logline

Exactly. The market will ultimately decide... hence the name of this thread.

So, like another poster suggested, with the percentage of smokers dropping to 20%, then let the majority make the decision, like banning tobacco, or 100% smoke free everywhere.

Correspondingly, the percentage of tourists who come to Las Vegas to gamble has now sunk to 25%+ So, correspondingly, as well, when number of gamblers sinks to 20%, then let's just ban gambling everywhere?

Majority rulings, don't you just love it?

[Tek_Freek]

Originally Posted by EA

Giving up liberty for a little safety....

Your liberty to smoke vs my liberty to breathe without 2nd hand smoke.

My liberties win.

Go outside and kill yourself without trying to take me with you.

Edit: That being said I still go to casinos. I avoid those with poor ventilation and tables with smokers. It's not that difficult.

[Tek_Freek]

Originally Posted by SBender

I can tell you these laws kill businesses like this. I owned a bar in Ohio when no smoking legislation passed in 2008. Almost 2,000 bars handed in their liquor license and did not renew it in the first 2 years. And the ones that stayed open where less busy than before. That's a lot of business gone into thin air.

When they banned smoking in Iowa there was a huge gloom and doom contingent saying that half the restaurants and most of the bars would close for lack of business.

What actually happened was that all the people who wouldn't go to either because of the smoke started going.

Business improved. Go figure.

[9162]

Originally Posted by tijlover

So if car ownership, one day, dips to 18%, and the bicyclists take over, then let's ban cars? Majority rule?

Non-smokers cheer when they see the percentage of smokers keep declining, but there's something which is called a pendulum, and it would never occur to them the pendulum may start swinging back the other way some day!

Marijuana usage is a good example of that!

Huh? Not even remotely, is this a similar comparison. Smoking is hazardous to ones health. It has been determined that second hand smoke is carcinogenic as well. The primary reason cigarettes aren't banned outright is because of the enormous tax revenue they create. Marijuana is also carcinogenic, and smoking it will never be allowed in public places.

Originally Posted by LasVegasPlayer

This is a map of state smoking bans. Only the full white states have a ban in bars, but several of those (KS, IA, NM, MI, NJ, RI) exempt casinos. The dark gray ones have no smoking ban at all. The other colors are varying degrees, all of which allow casinos/OTB/bingo and all but the two purple allow it in bars.

This map isn't entirely accurate. Smoking bans in TX are up to the city ordinances. There is no smoking in any public places in El Paso,TX. Arlington,TX and Fort Worth are the only cities that allow smoking in bars. Other states as well shown in black also have separate city ordinances prohibiting smoking.

[kimba01]

Originally Posted by 9162

Huh? Not even remotely, is this a similar comparison. Smoking is hazardous to ones health. It has been determined that second hand smoke is carcinogenic as well. The primary reason cigarettes aren't banned outright is because of the enormous tax revenue they create. Marijuana is also carcinogenic, and smoking it will never be allowed in public places.

Maybe not in our lifetime, but I have seen many things come to be that I never thought would. Never say never unless you have a crystal ball. Money talks.

[Chinga]

Originally Posted by Tek_Freek

Your liberty to smoke vs my liberty to breathe without 2nd hand smoke.

My liberties win..

Nope, not when "your liberties" are based on fraud and junk science.

BTW I noticed that Nevada now has the highest percentage of smokers in the US, Its also gone up in the last 6 years, good luck with your little "trend" lol

[bumpercar]

Originally Posted by Chinga

Nope, not when "your liberties" are based on fraud and junk science.

BTW I noticed that Nevada now has the highest percentage of smokers in the US, Its also gone up in the last 6 years, good luck with your little "trend" lol

"Attrition" will take care of that 6 year trend.