[EA]

Originally Posted by BBMW

No.

What you need is a police force that is sufficient for the size and population of the area, and allow it to aggressively deal with crime at every level. The rest of the criminal justice system has to get with the program, aggressively prosecute the skels the cops sweep up, lock them up for as long as possible. This is how NYC went from over 2200 murders a year at the end of the crack cowboy days in the early '90 to 328 in 2014. Economics had nothing to do with it.

This is just dumb. It's like putting a band aid on a severed arm, and then praising the band aid if the person survives.


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[C_A_Braun]

I am sure that California Prop 47 as well as California's Prisoner Realignment Program are both having an impact on the crime rate in Las Vegas.

[NYtoVT]

Originally Posted by BBMW

No.

This has been proven incorrect in practice. We went through this in NYC. What you need is a police force that is sufficient for the size and population of the area, and allow it to aggressively deal with crime at every level. The rest of the criminal justice system has to get with the program, aggressively prosecute the skels the cops sweep up, lock them up for as long as possible. This is how NYC went from over 2200 murders a year at the end of the crack cowboy days in the early '90 to 328 in 2014. Economics had nothing to do with it.

Now the idiot mayor we elected is undoing the methodology that worked, and, guess what, the murder rate is climbing again. But that's for the NY forum (and, believe me, it there.)

But the take away for other cities is, forget the socioeconomic mumbo jumbo. If you want to solve crime, crack down hard, broadly, and on a long term sustained basis, and be prepared to spend the money it takes to do it.

Yup. The above is the ONLY answer.

[Tek_Freek]

Originally Posted by BBMW

No.

This has been proven incorrect in practice. We went through this in NYC. What you need is a police force that is sufficient for the size and population of the area, and allow it to aggressively deal with crime at every level. The rest of the criminal justice system has to get with the program, aggressively prosecute the skels the cops sweep up, lock them up for as long as possible. This is how NYC went from over 2200 murders a year at the end of the crack cowboy days in the early '90 to 328 in 2014. Economics had nothing to do with it.

Now the idiot mayor we elected is undoing the methodology that worked, and, guess what, the murder rate is climbing again. But that's for the NY forum (and, believe me, it there.)

But the take away for other cities is, forget the socioeconomic mumbo jumbo. If you want to solve crime, crack down hard, broadly, and on a long term sustained basis, and be prepared to spend the money it takes to do it.

This worked on a smaller scale in the city we moved from. Smaller city that is.

I don't see it happening in Las Vegas, however.

[Clarkcty]

Originally Posted by BBMW

No.

This has been proven incorrect in practice. We went through this in NYC. What you need is a police force that is sufficient for the size and population of the area, and allow it to aggressively deal with crime at every level. The rest of the criminal justice system has to get with the program, aggressively prosecute the skels the cops sweep up, lock them up for as long as possible. This is how NYC went from over 2200 murders a year at the end of the crack cowboy days in the early '90 to 328 in 2014. Economics had nothing to do with it.

Now the idiot mayor we elected is undoing the methodology that worked, and, guess what, the murder rate is climbing again. But that's for the NY forum (and, believe me, it there.)

But the take away for other cities is, forget the socioeconomic mumbo jumbo. If you want to solve crime, crack down hard, broadly, and on a long term sustained basis, and be prepared to spend the money it takes to do it.

Better yet, annihilate, get rid of them. Locking people up for an extended period of time is just a burden to tax payers, if these criminals without a doubt and proven to have commited the crime, especially if it involves a dead person/violent crime, get rid of them.

[BBMW]

Sorry, but it worked spectacularly here for twenty years. So much so that people have forgotten, or weren't around for, the bad old days, and are pushing the city to slack off. So now crime is creeping back up.

And comparing a tiny, homogenous little country to the US, is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by EA

This is just dumb. It's like putting a band aid on a severed arm, and then praising the band aid if the person survives.


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[EA]

Says the guy comparing a city to an entire country.....



Why don't we just build concentration camps so no one can roam around and do any crime. That will certainly stop the crime right?

[SportyandMisty]

EA --

I can't rep you for your post of pics of cars crashed into houses -- so I'll just give you a thumbs up.

[SportyandMisty]

Originally Posted by BBMW

No.

This has been proven incorrect in practice. We went through this in NYC. What you need is a police force that is sufficient for the size and population of the area, and allow it to aggressively deal with crime at every level. The rest of the criminal justice system has to get with the program, aggressively prosecute the skels the cops sweep up, lock them up for as long as possible. This is how NYC went from over 2200 murders a year at the end of the crack cowboy days in the early '90 to 328 in 2014. Economics had nothing to do with it.

I understand your point and don't disagree with it -- but your assertion the economics had nothing to do with it sort of depends on your definition of economics. Economists study crime all the time. For example, https://www.nber.org/workinggroups/cri/cri.html One common economic model of crime is based on conditional probabilities:

The probability of a crime being reported given a crime is committed
The probability of police investigating given that a crime is reported
The probability of an arrest given that police investigate
The probability of prosecution given that an arrest has been made
The probability of a trial given that prosecution occurs
The probability a judge lets the trial go to completion given a trial occurs
The probability of a conviction given the trial goes to completion
The probability of a incarceration given a conviction
The probability of an appeal given incarceration
The probability of failure upon appeal given there is an appeal

You get the idea -- the conditional probabilities model of crime https://books.google.com/books?id=Su...0crime&f=false is an economic model to evaluate the conditions where committing a crime is rational.

When you raise the probabilities in the model above, the likelihood that a criminal is punished goes up. You can raise the probabilities by, as you point out, increasing the size of the police force as well as the capacity of the rest of the judicial system.

[clutchcargo777]

^^^

Some things can't be bean counted and micro-analyzed into oblivion. I know this is a common human desire, but some times you just have to lock up criminals. Period.