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You know, you're starting to make me feel like I have to talk to you like a baby. I don't have any children, so I doubt I'll be good at this.
No, I'm not a communist or socialist. You again take my words out of context. Where's the rest of my long message? What I said is that our government should take the money we're using in the Iraq war and investing into legal immigration and use that into sealing our borders. Was that so hard for you to understand?
By the way, much of our economy is socialist. I'm not sure if any country in this world is strictly all capitalist or all socialist. Every country has a mix of both. It's all about which way you lean. And socialism doesn't have to involve communism. Communism is about one's personal rights. Socialism is about one's money. There's a big difference. I guess every police officer you see, every soldier that fights for this country and every teacher that taught you must believe in socialism too because they're salaries are pre-determined by ''socialized'' tax revenue must be socialists and communists too, right?
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Reason: Forgot to include you're ''intelligent'' quote lol
I have been known to locate the owner of said wallet and return it, contents INTACT. It must be the difference in the way I was raised...
Well, I'm happy for you. I'm not saying I wouldn't do the same thing, but it doesn't mean people don't look. Or act upon it. We all say different things than we do. It didn't mean you didn't take a gander. I never came across that situation, so I'm sorry I can't classify myself as the nobleman you are lol If you think most Americans are like that, than you're naive. And if you think most Americans aren't plastic enough to tell the same story as you, you're even more naive.
Well, I'm happy for you. I'm not saying I wouldn't do the same thing, but it doesn't mean people don't look. Or act upon it. We all say different things than we do. It didn't mean you didn't take a gander. I never came across that situation, so I'm sorry I can't classify myself as the nobleman you are lol If you think most Americans are like that, than you're naive. And if you think most Americans aren't plastic enough to tell the same story as you, you're even more naive.
Actually, the fact that MOST Americans are no longer 'like that' is a sad indictment of where we've come to as a nation. I remember unlocked doors, keys left in the ignition, playing outside until dark-thirty ALL summer long, all kinds of things that are no longer possible because we've gotten so far into the instant gratification, "What's in it for me???" mindset.
I don't like what we've become, and I'm glad I won't live much longer in the midst of it.
Well, I'm happy for you. I'm not saying I wouldn't do the same thing, but it doesn't mean people don't look. Or act upon it. We all say different things than we do. It didn't mean you didn't take a gander. I never came across that situation, so I'm sorry I can't classify myself as the nobleman you are lol If you think most Americans are like that, than you're naive. And if you think most Americans aren't plastic enough to tell the same story as you, you're even more naive.
I lost a wallet after cashing a paycheck. I had just finished straightening all my cash so that I had nothing larger than a $10 in my pocket. So in a wallet with a few hundred in it, I got less than $20 to last two weeks. The wallet never turned up...and it had things like a library card, an ID, pictures...I wouldn't have cared if it had been turned in with NO money in it, but it was never turned in at all.
I lost a wallet after cashing a paycheck. I had just finished straightening all my cash so that I had nothing larger than a $10 in my pocket. So in a wallet with a few hundred in it, I got less than $20 to last two weeks. The wallet never turned up...and it had things like a library card, an ID, pictures...I wouldn't have cared if it had been turned in with NO money in it, but it was never turned in at all.
Yeah, it sucks. I don't even carry around a wallet for reasons like this. People have a very selfish attitude. It definitely is horrible that this is what our society has come to, but this is what it is. I really doubt things will change in the right direction either.
A couple months ago in college, I left my USB port in a library computer. It was at like 10 in the morning. I realized I left it there during class. So I left class for a few minutes at like 1:30. It wasn't there anymore. I asked the librarian and she said she didn't know what happened to it. I asked the public safety, same thing. I'm happy it was only a cheap one I got from Wal-Mart for like 17 dollars, but the fact that someone stole it proves that people are selfish. And likewise to your situation, I really didn't care so much for the 17 dollars. I was more upset that I lost a few hours worth of English work. Now I use my yahoo e-mail address as my resource for saving things and my new USB as a back up, rather than the other way around.
I lost a wallet after cashing a paycheck. I had just finished straightening all my cash so that I had nothing larger than a $10 in my pocket. So in a wallet with a few hundred in it, I got less than $20 to last two weeks. The wallet never turned up...and it had things like a library card, an ID, pictures...I wouldn't have cared if it had been turned in with NO money in it, but it was never turned in at all.
Sorry to hear about that - I know it made things rough -
As an aside - you described one of the better reasons for direct deposit though -
I have quizzed my congressman why we are in the bussiness of importing people & exporting good paying jobs ?His answer was we allways take in legal immigrants,& still should.But,he stated that NW Indiana & other areas should not get the brunt of immigrants,because of the astronomical losses in mfg. jobs to virtual slave labor countries receiving them.
Do we really need 1 1/4 million legal immigrants every year?Another city of Chicago (pop. wise) every 2 years?Another state of Indiana every 4 years?Of course not!Even Pres. Clinton said the people who are here now can be trained to do anything that immigrants can do.We are now whitnessing the first pangs of overpopulation. At this rate of illegal & legal immigrants scurrying to get their freebees from this government who has lost touch with the plight of hardworking mainstream american citizens,we will loose the american dream,what little is left.Borders,Language,Customs,dying fast here.
As fact ,90% of people here can learn advanced technical skills (its a scientific fact),given the oportunity,why are we flooding this nation with people we do not need.In the "Golden Age" of immigration 1900-1950 about only 1/4 million came here every year,& thats was when America needed the man power!What the hell are we doing now!Jobs are leaving like rats on a sinking ship!
In some fields ,like physicians,we have been innundated with immigrants who can barely speak English.There have been quite a few in the Chicago-NWI area who have had licences taken away beacuse of immprorieties in their field.Do all of you not want a doctor who has been properly trained & fluent in the language of the land?
In summary lets slash legal immigration drastically,or better, put a moratorium on it for 5 years,& go from there.Of course eliminating illegal immigration ,& self deportation of said persons from denying them of schooling ,free medical care,& jobs,are also monumentally imporatant.As is the anchor baby citizenship.Thats why I did not vote on this poll ,there was not a ballot to this increasingly neccessary extreme.Maybe some here would agree to do these things?
I have quizzed my congressman why we are in the bussiness of importing people & exporting good paying jobs ?His answer was we allways take in legal immigrants,& still should.But,he stated that NW Indiana & other areas should not get the brunt of immigrants,because of the astronomical losses in mfg. jobs to virtual slave labor countries receiving them.
Do we really need 1 1/4 million legal immigrants every year?Another city of Chicago (pop. wise) every 2 years?Another state of Indiana every 4 years?Of course not!Even Pres. Clinton said the people who are here now can be trained to do anything that immigrants can do.We are now whitnessing the first pangs of overpopulation. At this rate of illegal & legal immigrants scurrying to get their freebees from this government who has lost touch with the plight of hardworking mainstream american citizens,we will loose the american dream,what little is left.Borders,Language,Customs,dying fast here.
As fact ,90% of people here can learn advanced technical skills (its a scientific fact),given the oportunity,why are we flooding this nation with people we do not need.In the "Golden Age" of immigration 1900-1950 about only 1/4 million came here every year,& thats was when America needed the man power!What the hell are we doing now!Jobs are leaving like rats on a sinking ship!
In some fields ,like physicians,we have been innundated with immigrants who can barely speak English.There have been quite a few in the Chicago-NWI area who have had licences taken away beacuse of immprorieties in their field.Do all of you not want a doctor who has been properly trained & fluent in the language of the land?
In summary lets slash legal immigration drastically,or better, put a moratorium on it for 5 years,& go from there.Of course eliminating illegal immigration ,& self deportation of said persons from denying them of schooling ,free medical care,& jobs,are also monumentally imporatant.As is the anchor baby citizenship.Thats why I did not vote on this poll ,there was not a ballot to this increasingly neccessary extreme.Maybe some here would agree to do these things?
The reason why LEGAL immigrants are needed in this country is because only a small number of them actually do blue collar/manufacturing work. It's a common misconception I've seen again and again that people think of immigrants as hispanic, poor, and uneducated. The LEGAL immigration system and procedures (with their high education and $$$ needed to qualify) have done a great job of screening poor uneducated candidates out of consideration. The majority of LEGAL immigrants come here to do high-tech/high paying jobs which American citizens can't fill. You've seen it in medical field (you go to any big hospitals in a big city and you'll see non white doctors and surgeons everywhere) or Information Technology field (go to an IT department of any big corporations like Microsoft, Cisco, AT&T, IBM, etc... and you'll see majority of their IT workforce are non-white).
True, you can train & educate American citizens to do these work but unfortunately science is still one field that doesn't attract a lot of people. One real example: I was reading one university's admission website last week, in which it's said that in 2007 they received 440 applicants who applied for graduate degree in Computer Science. Out of those 440, 420 were international applicants from India and China. So only less than 5% of their Master's degree students last year were US citizens. Shocking? Not really. In a society where brainy students are labeled nerds and weirdos, how can you expect them to be interested in a field that requires 100% focus (no boozing and partying all night long), higher than average intelligence, and the courage to appear un-cool? This is after the fact that there are much more financial aids (some of them free money) and incentives to American students while international students receive no financial aids whatsoever. Yet, it's the same non-white students who excel and receive prestigious university work such as Research Assistants, etc. I work in Human Resource and I can tell you the stark difference between a resume from an American student to a resume from an international student. The international student's resume will have TONS of school projects, internships, and Research Assistant work complete with above average GPA listed on it, while the American student's resume will only have work experience as waiter/waitress or work in McDonalds and such, if that.
You can provide training to US citizens only so much, but if the interest is not there, it will all be useless.
Well, you're right. Much of the youth knows anything in detail. They base too much off who they like. What people want seems pretty simple though. That's to get in the right economical path, get our troops out of Iraq (which works hand in hand with the first thing), revise the health care system, reform illegal immigration and more than all - get Bush out (and Republicans - especially ones that support the war) and get some change. Personally, I think Hillary Clinton would make just as good a president as Barack Obama - but if she were president two terms, that'd be 36 years in a row of Clinton/Bush president/vice presidents. And if she were vice president and became president for two terms, that'd be 44 years. That's too much.
For the youth of today, electing the POTUS is the equivalent of voting for the next American Idol. This is the generation of image trumping everything. While a few may be educated in terms of some issues (i.e. the tanking of the economy, high cost of college tuition) the majority are voting for Obama simply because he's a handsome black man and they either (a) identify with him based on race; or (b) are young, and/or white and consider themselves liberals and (c) figure its time America had a change in the political party majority. As for Hillary: (a) because she's a she; or (b) because she's Bill Clinton's wife and that fact and purely by osmosis qualifies her to be the next POTUS.
That being said, IMHO there isn't a thimble full of difference between the two. As far as I'm concerned their liberal views with regards to socialized medicine, a pathway to amnesty solving the multitude of problems created by illegal immigration and the fact that both are out of touch with the desires of those of us paying the taxes in this country disqualifies either of them.
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People almost are one extreme to the other though. Some people say we got great candidates just like how American idol judges say how they think their singers are so great, even though many think they all suck. Than some say our candidates suck all together. To keep things in perspective, I think we have okay candidates. It's fair to say all of them could be taking on more than what they're equiped for, but our current president is much to blame for that. And being the head of his own party could inevitably tank his party. It's what got Democrats congress back in 2006.
I agree with you in terms of the extremes on both sides of the aisle. I wish I could agree with you about the three stooges aka "frontrunners" all of whose candidacy's are forcing me to sit out my first election ever.
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Plus, if you looked at the tracking polls general elections - many show McCain beating Clinton. Almost all show Obama winning, and some by a decent margain. Obama doesn't come off condescending like Hillary does. It might shock some, but not all evangelicals are turned off by him. He doesn't need to mush another candidate to advance his own changes. I voted for Obama in the primaries and will vote for him in the general election. Being a quarter of a century younger than McCain won't hurt his chances either. So with Barack Obama, I think it's safe to say we're going to destroy Republicans in the general election. It's simply a matter the difference of Democrats having decent candidates and Republicans having crapy ones.
I have been a democrat most of my life and became a registered Independent 8 years ago.
Obama: While I admire Obama who IMHO is an educated, intelligent, and potentially the first electable black man (unlike Jesse and Al, two pimps for which I have no respect) as POTUS, I refuse to vote race over the wellbeing of my country.
Hillary: I could not stand the sight or sound of such a shrill, bossy harpy who IMHO is riding the coat tails of her husband, while claiming his accomplishments as her own. Further disqualifying her in addition to my personal antipathy.
John McCain: While I respect him for his service to our country, his record of flip flopping and liberalism scares me as much as Clinton and Obama's. I consider him a sheep in Republican clothing. Also I do not think that he has the leadership abilities, knowledge, judgment to move this country out of the mindset of perpetual war mongering. IMHO he'd be as big a disaster as Senor Boosh and I honestly believe the stress would shorten his life expectancy.
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''It's a common misconception I've seen again and again that people think of immigrants as hispanic, poor, and uneducated.''
Yes, it is. That's part of it though (except with the words Latin American instead of ''Hispanic lol). But it's not to say that plenty of our immigrants aren't blue-collared. Surely, all of us could be beyond stupid and assume every Guatemalan, Colombian, Dominican and Honduran immigrant in this country is ''illegal'', even though there was no way for them to physically enter illegally. There are far more people who properly are law abiding to their visas. Most of all those immigrants I just described primarily do blue-collared work. It's not to say they aren't nurses, doctors, retail managers and all that too, but many work in factories, do construction and other jobs that are almost entirely on the books.
They wouldn't have these jobs if they weren't. Even outside of Mexican immigrants, all other Latin American countries do make up much significance to the legal immigrated population in the United States. Asians, Middle Easterners and Eastern Europeans do too. I know more of them are prone to entering the technological, white-collared and medical fields, but there are indeed plenty of legal immigrants in this country who do the same work working-class Americans do. And although our country demands higher education standards than we use to, other countries like Canada still have higher standards.
The difference between Canada and us is that they take much less working-class immigrants. It's undeniably true because we take approximately 1.25 million legal immigrants into this country every year. Canada, Australia and EU countries take much less. If we took the same amount as them, I guarantee you probably wouldn't be seeing working-class immigrants coming to this country - being that we have plenty Americans who need these jobs and are already losing them for reasons unrelated to immigration Both of us take plenty of doctors, engineers, technicians and educated professions.
''True, you can train & educate American citizens to do these work but unfortunately science is still one field that doesn't attract a lot of people. One real example: I was reading one university's admission website last week, in which it's said that in 2007 they received 440 applicants who applied for graduate degree in Computer Science. Out of those 440, 420 were international applicants from India and China. So only less than 5% of their Master's degree students last year were US citizens. Shocking? Not really. In a society where brainy students are labeled nerds and weirdos, how can you expect them to be interested in a field that requires 100% focus (no boozing and partying all night long), higher than average intelligence, and the courage to appear un-cool? This is after the fact that there are much more financial aids (some of them free money) and incentives to American students while international students receive no financial aids whatsoever. Yet, it's the same non-white students who excel and receive prestigious university work such as Research Assistants, etc. I work in Human Resource and I can tell you the stark difference between a resume from an American student to a resume from an international student. The international student's resume will have TONS of school projects, internships, and Research Assistant work complete with above average GPA listed on it, while the American student's resume will only have work experience as waiter/waitress or work in McDonalds and such, if that.''
Yes, all of this is true and a big problem. One of the biggest things we could do to transform this is to transfer much of our educational emphasis more into the Sciences and Math. Most Americans are content on going through the motions. To many international students, they want more than this. They're raised in more obedient families that demand higher educational standards. In ways, you could say their parents are as strict as the U.S. Government's expectation of them. Americans got it made in the sense that if they just go through the motions and are okay at what they do, they'll make decent money and live a decent life. Even though we are educated and skilled society, we're a very lazy one.
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