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Old 04-17-2014, 08:00 AM
 
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Their immigration policies are simple. You can only live in their countries if you have a job offer/employment or are investing in their country.. and that is temporary permits (which can be renewed depending on your situation). you cannot apply for citizenship, unless you are married to a Gulf Country national, in which case you have to give up whatever other citizenships you have.

they have no limit on how many work/investment permits they give out. Anyone that commits a serious crime, or commits fraud gets deported, and never allowed back into the country.

I think this is very good because it gives chance to ALL, not just the highly qualified or rich, to live there and make money, but the deportation laws keep all immigrants in check and abiding by the law. Immigrants get no benefits from the government (so no welfare tourism) but in return they have to pay no taxes. i personally can't see any downsides economically, or even morally. both sides win.
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Old 04-17-2014, 08:49 AM
 
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I think clearly we should have an open immigration policy based on system where

skills cannot be filled by American Citizens and various Govt administered surveys would need to show that for the trades containing the supply shortage, the number of eligible persons to perform those tasks is also extremely low among the naturalized population.

This can be tested by open-ended survey questions "based on current skillsets, what other jobs are you capable of filling".

If a trade has a low active supply and active eligible supply, there should be a way into the country by pursuing those work areas at a contract wage.

However, if survey shows there are plenty of people eligible within the US to perform those jobs but supply is low, then the solution needs to be a wage hike. This is for US longterm security of American prosperity. It is protect the health of our people at home and our family structure. Once you stop using wage equilibrium pricing based on national supply, you make it impossible for say a married couple to have a mother working an agricultural or hospital domestic job, the dad to obtain a US comparable wage in the service sector, and you ruin family life for our future kids by destroying the middle class.

That foreigner who will work for a nickel an hour is not actually more efficient. That foreigner isn't paying for heaithcare, is not paying for Childcare, is not facilitating a lifestyle short-term that breeds a healthy longterm multi-generational society. This is in part what is making their wage acceptance lower. If you don't account for these pieces of why foreign labor is cheaper, you are hurting the sustainable future of your own nation.

Ultimately this is a form of selling America to the highest bidder. It comes down to the question do you put a value on the US as a nation and it's 200-year history? Or like companies that enter and exit, should America too close down to save a few bucks?

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Old 04-17-2014, 11:12 AM
 
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I think clearly we should have an open immigration policy based on system where

skills cannot be filled by American Citizens and various Govt administered surveys would need to show that for the trades containing the supply shortage, the number of eligible persons to perform those tasks is also extremely low among the naturalized population.

This can be tested by open-ended survey questions "based on current skillsets, what other jobs are you capable of filling".

If a trade has a low active supply and active eligible supply, there should be a way into the country by pursuing those work areas at a contract wage.

However, if survey shows there are plenty of people eligible within the US to perform those jobs but supply is low, then the solution needs to be a wage hike. This is for US longterm security of American prosperity. It is protect the health of our people at home and our family structure. Once you stop using wage equilibrium pricing based on national supply, you make it impossible for say a married couple to have a mother working an agricultural or hospital domestic job, the dad to obtain a US comparable wage in the service sector, and you ruin family life for our future kids by destroying the middle class.

That foreigner who will work for a nickel an hour is not actually more efficient. That foreigner isn't paying for heaithcare, is not paying for Childcare, is not facilitating a lifestyle short-term that breeds a healthy longterm multi-generational society. This is in part what is making their wage acceptance lower. If you don't account for these pieces of why foreign labor is cheaper, you are hurting the sustainable future of your own nation.

Ultimately this is a form of selling America to the highest bidder. It comes down to the question do you put a value on the US as a nation and it's 200-year history? Or like companies that enter and exit, should America too close down to save a few bucks?
cheap foreign labour hasn't hurt Gulf nations.. not one bit. during the earlier years, they even went to the extent of abusing human rights, in order to keep foreign labour cheap. foreign labor is cheaper, so their citizens pay less for their products, hence they maintain strong purchasing power.

foreign labor will only accept what they can survive on. if a foreigner in a Gulf Nation needs $500 per month worth to survive, he won't work for any less than $500 per month because it woudn't make any sense.. he would eventually end up worse than the country he came from. its the same in the US. no foreigner will work for a Nickel an hour because then how would that person survive? he won't hence a job paying that much would NOT exist in america because no one would do it. who would work for $2 a week when your rent alone is $50 ? LOL.

i believe the higher purchasing power that foreign labor can bring will benefit EVERY american, especially the poor, rather than a select few who benefit from a wage hike.
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Old 04-17-2014, 11:44 AM
 
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cheap foreign labour hasn't hurt Gulf nations.. not one bit. during the earlier years, they even went to the extent of abusing human rights, in order to keep foreign labour cheap.
They still do.
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Old 04-17-2014, 01:02 PM
 
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They still do.
Probably, but the point is they are benefiting from cheap labour whereas most of us westerners have cheap labour lined up yet we don't take advantage.
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Old 04-17-2014, 03:36 PM
 
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Yeah, having tons of migrant workers come into the country, stealing their passports and keeping them as slaves is the way it's done. If I remember correctly the US had a system like that once..
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Old 04-17-2014, 06:24 PM
 
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It's infinitely better than US policy, which is nothing short of sheer unmitigated destructive lunacy.
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Old 04-17-2014, 07:26 PM
 
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cheap foreign labour hasn't hurt Gulf nations.. not one bit. during the earlier years, they even went to the extent of abusing human rights, in order to keep foreign labour cheap. foreign labor is cheaper, so their citizens pay less for their products, hence they maintain strong purchasing power.

foreign labor will only accept what they can survive on. if a foreigner in a Gulf Nation needs $500 per month worth to survive, he won't work for any less than $500 per month because it woudn't make any sense.. he would eventually end up worse than the country he came from. its the same in the US. no foreigner will work for a Nickel an hour because then how would that person survive? he won't hence a job paying that much would NOT exist in america because no one would do it. who would work for $2 a week when your rent alone is $50 ? LOL.

i believe the higher purchasing power that foreign labor can bring will benefit EVERY american, especially the poor, rather than a select few who benefit from a wage hike.
Here's where you go wrong. If foreigners are willing to work cheaper then they price an American out of a job. How can they have purchasing power with no job? Many of these foreigners send billions out of our country in the form of remittances back to family in their homelands. It doesn't get spent in our economy.
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Old 04-18-2014, 10:31 AM
 
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It's infinitely better than US policy, which is nothing short of sheer unmitigated destructive lunacy.
Much better we just end all immigration for awhile. Abolish unemployment and welfare, and sit back and watch how it all shakes out.

I don't think I'd want to watch the show, but it would certainly - at first, at least - delight all those who see immigration and/or American slackers as the source of all the country's problems.
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Old 04-18-2014, 10:53 AM
 
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Much better we just end all immigration for awhile. Abolish unemployment and welfare, and sit back and watch how it all shakes out.

I don't think I'd want to watch the show, but it would certainly - at first, at least - delight all those who see immigration and/or American slackers as the source of all the country's problems.
Yeah, America couldn't possibly function without a constant influx of illiterate central american helots. Won't somebody think of agribusiness?
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