Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > New York > Long Island
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 04-08-2011, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Tri-State Area
2,942 posts, read 6,007,508 times
Reputation: 1839

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by corky101 View Post
Teachers are over-compensated and it's killing Long Island.

How the heck are my children ever going to afford to live here?

If they stay - in the beginning it will be 7 or eight to a 3 bedroom apartment, bunk bed style.
After 10 or 15 years of this, they may have enough to branch out.

Your kids will be the new slaves - housekeepers, landscapers, car washers who will cater to the new elite - the pensioners of state, city and local goverment. Their house will be Section 8 housing at the new development being planned in Brentwood.

You can thank your neighbor (city worker, city teacher, SCPD, NCPD, NYFD, etc) for this tomorrow when you pick up your newspaper from the driveway for this. Every dollar they put in their pension plan is matched with 7 or 8 of yours - how do you like them beans? Every day off on vacation, they aren't putting any money in the plan, guess what - you are. Head down to the local restaurants - who's sitting in them? - guess what, city and state workers. Why? because they don't need to watch their pennies for retirement when you are pouring your dollars into their pension plan.

Don't forget to vote NO at the next school budget election and don't vote for any incumbnent on the school board - throw da bums out!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 04-08-2011, 10:46 AM
 
398 posts, read 838,056 times
Reputation: 178
Quote:
Originally Posted by scottzilla View Post
Is an engineer supposed to make more money than a teacher?
Why?
LOL, the engineers I know are vastly intelligent people. My uncle is an engineer that studied at MIT on a free scholarship.

Sadly I love my family and teacher friends, but neither of them compare to my uncles level of intelligence.

While we love to believe teachers are empowering out young and shaping their minds to become something great, I hate to admit even my best teacher was not all that intelligent and different than the rest.

If engineers should not be compensated more than teachers, than do you believe the same logic that doctors should not be paid more than teachers as well?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-08-2011, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Centereach
481 posts, read 1,060,474 times
Reputation: 251
Quote:
Originally Posted by ny789987 View Post
Ummm, yeah..... Because a good chunk of teachers are bottom/middle of the class not intelligent.

And I've had to correct this teacher for her "typos" regarding simple mathematics on several occassions.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-08-2011, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Centereach
481 posts, read 1,060,474 times
Reputation: 251
Quote:
Originally Posted by nyliguy View Post
LOL, the engineers I know are vastly intelligent people. My uncle is an engineer that studied at MIT on a free scholarship.

Sadly I love my family and teacher friends, but neither of them compare to my uncles level of intelligence.

While we love to believe teachers are empowering out young and shaping their minds to become something great, I hate to admit even my best teacher was not all that intelligent and different than the rest.

If engineers should not be compensated more than teachers, than do you believe the same logic that doctors should not be paid more than teachers as well?

My question is how does society hold up teachers pay when they can't even get it themselves?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-08-2011, 11:11 AM
 
1,917 posts, read 5,345,145 times
Reputation: 829
Quote:
Originally Posted by corky101 View Post
Well, it's a lot tougher to get an engineering degree than a teaching degree, lol.

you try it

Perhaps it was tougher for you, but that has little bearing on what they deserved to be paid.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-08-2011, 11:12 AM
 
1,917 posts, read 5,345,145 times
Reputation: 829
Quote:
Originally Posted by ny789987 View Post
Ummm, yeah..... Because a good chunk of teachers are bottom/middle of the class not intelligent.

let the adults talk please.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-08-2011, 11:15 AM
 
1,917 posts, read 5,345,145 times
Reputation: 829
Quote:
Originally Posted by nyliguy View Post
LOL, the engineers I know are vastly intelligent people. My uncle is an engineer that studied at MIT on a free scholarship.

Sadly I love my family and teacher friends, but neither of them compare to my uncles level of intelligence.

While we love to believe teachers are empowering out young and shaping their minds to become something great, I hate to admit even my best teacher was not all that intelligent and different than the rest.

If engineers should not be compensated more than teachers, than do you believe the same logic that doctors should not be paid more than teachers as well?

This is your argument? In your opinion engineers deserve more money because they are more intelligent?
Why the hell does Britney Spears make so much money if that's the case?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-08-2011, 11:24 AM
 
Location: NHP, NY
294 posts, read 610,209 times
Reputation: 125
Quote:
Originally Posted by scottzilla View Post
Perhaps it was tougher for you, but that has little bearing on what they deserved to be paid.
Depends on a lot of things. I'm surrounded by engineers in my life...colleagues, family & friends. Some are flat out brilliant across the board whereas some are outstanding in the more technical areas such as math and science and are borderline functional in most other areas. Overall, though, Engineering is a very difficult area of study and obtaining your PE is an impressive achievement.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-08-2011, 11:26 AM
 
1,303 posts, read 1,815,274 times
Reputation: 2486
Quote:
Originally Posted by NHP Guy View Post
Depends on a lot of things. I'm surrounded by engineers in my life...colleagues, family & friends. Some are flat out brilliant across the board whereas some are outstanding in the more technical areas such as math and science and are borderline functional in most other areas. Overall, though, Engineering is a very difficult area of study and obtaining your PE is an impressive achievement.
What? And getting a teaching certificate from Adelphi isn't?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-08-2011, 12:11 PM
 
3,852 posts, read 4,520,065 times
Reputation: 4516
Quote:
Originally Posted by tummymumma View Post
You cannot complain about people getting tax cuts, even if they're millionaires, because even millionaires will continue to pay the same tax rate (at the very least) that you do. IMO, thats completely fair.. I dont think there is any need to attack the rich unless they are ill gotten gains, and a rich person deserves their money just as much as you do..
Current tax rates on the wealthiest in this country are the lowest they've been in recent history. Anyone old enough to remember the 70%+ bracket before Reagan and the 90%+ bracket before Johnson can tell you that. Plus, the rich pay a lower effective tax rate than the middle class. This is due to payroll taxes capping at $107k, deductions, and capital gains being taxed at a lower rate, among other things.

I can probably count the number of people in the 35% bracket (the current highest, who make over $372k - IE the top 1% of Americans) who post on this forum on one hand yet everyone fights as if they're already millionaires, advocating policies that benefit the rich at the expense of the middle class and poor. Politicans on both sides just squeeze through an extension of tax cuts that primarily benefitted this class, and are now crying poverty and trying to slash spending that benefits the poorest and weakest among us. Despicable.

Unfortunately, effective tax policy requires that a populace being taxed feels as if they are getting a valuable product from their tax dollars. Even more basically, it requires that they see the relationship in those terms. The US populace successfully has been bombarded for decades with unceasing propaganda which asserts that a dollar taxed is a dollar wasted. Appeals using examples of countries with aggressively progressive taxation - and all the benefits those countries derive from them - has already been checked by hilariously equating them with "socialism" (using the antediluvian specter of the USSR). Ethical or moral arguments - even simple appeals to fairness - meet a stoney audience. For the US at least empirical determination of an optimum taxation scheme is, for the most part, a moot topic.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:




Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > New York > Long Island

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top