Islip Teachers Will Get 9% Raises While Fellow Teachers Loose their Jobs!

[zulu400]

Originally Posted by Interlude

And I've acknowledged that comparable districts elsewhere get equal results for less money.

You are damn right about that !! But not everyone wants to hear this atleast you admit that.

Originally Posted by Interlude

Things need to be done, but that doesn't include busting unions, scrapping pensions, or paying teachers like janitors.

You are talking about extreme conditions.... I know in the heat of argument we tend to do that (hey for what its worth, I want bankruptcy for NY state !! Lets start over again)

But in reality, we still want the teaching profession to be good enough to monetarily attract the best teachers.... right now, I cannot confidently say that we have the best teachers in the system on Long Island. Anyway, "job security" probably kills the hunger to get better.... salaries are an issue (but not the main issue).... we need to get rid of the Last in first out policy. Right now its not about who are the best teachers, but its about who got in first.


And yes... stop whining about someone's blog.... there is so much relevant information there... you should read it.

[formyblog]

Back to thread title.
Islip teachers get 9% raise and the budget passed by just 9 votes. WoW !

I did some data mining and and sorted the data by win margin percentage.

Long Island School Budget Vote Analysis 2011-2012, Ranked by margin of victory

[Interlude]

Originally Posted by zulu400

You are damn right about that !! But not everyone wants to hear this atleast you admit that.

You are talking about extreme conditions.... I know in the heat of argument we tend to do that (hey for what its worth, I want bankruptcy for NY state !! Lets start over again)

Do you have any idea what the financial ramifications would be to this state if it were to do that?

But in reality, we still want the teaching profession to be good enough to monetarily attract the best teachers.... right now, I cannot confidently say that we have the best teachers in the system on Long Island. Anyway, "job security" probably kills the hunger to get better.... salaries are an issue (but not the main issue).... we need to get rid of the Last in first out policy. Right now its not about who are the best teachers, but its about who got in first.

There are certainly reforms that can be made. I like what they're proposing doing in the city - refining the formula by which teachers are evaluated, weighing test scores, supervisor evaluations, etc.

And yes... stop whining about someone's blog.... there is so much relevant information there... you should read it.

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Reported.

Originally Posted by NYEconomist

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That's why there's a report button.

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[NYEconomist]

Originally Posted by Interlude

That's why there's a report button.

Very good, now use it and stop cluttering the thread with your useless posts.

[NYEconomist]

Originally Posted by Interlude

You sure do like throwing out bad stats. Adjusted for regional cost differences, NY is actually #4.

I love when I run someone through on an argument so badly that they search fanatically for some spec of resolve to painting themselves into a corner. My stats aren't bad, your argument is just poorly constructed. There is no realistic difference between #1 and #4 in spending. Especially when you consider how poor our SAT scores are across the board. You get deducted points for ticky tacky ness.

Also, I don't think you want to argue SAT scores, because you'll soon find that highly-compensated districts in Nassau had high scores (EG, Jericho with 1779, Syosset with 1713, etc.), while the state average was brought down by NYC, where teacheres make considerably less (though I hesitate to corrolate same).

I forgot, other states don't also educate poor students. See, my argument against the spending that we provide for schools is that we don't get anything for it. The school districts that you mention also have some of the highest median incomes in the nation. Find me a few examples of school districts on Long Island that academically outperform their socioeconomic position nationally.

Yeah why would the country's third most populated state need more colleges? Students should have to fight each other with pugil sticks to get into school.

Yeah, let's load kids up on 50k worth of debt for them to get that coveted night shift position at Bed, Bath, & Beyond.

Please show that those leaving are the unemployed. I've seen the study (financied by a conservative anti-tax group), and it says that most people are leaving NYC for New Jersey (hardly a lower-taxed state - they are right behind NY) and Florida (retirees). It also showed that this pattern is slowing considerably.

God, if NYers are leaving for Jersey. That's just downright embarrassing.

You made the asinine statement that other states are more concerned with prepping kids for college and the real world, yet NY has more kids in college and mid-pack unemployment rates. You were wrong.

You attach things and come to some of the worst logical conclusions I've ever experienced. Just because we have a large college population is not a measurement of how well we prep our kids for school. In fact, that is probably not something you can quantify. It's what's called an opinion. When you hire people, like I do, you would realize that most NYers are ill prepared for the workplace.

Additionally, making it more accessible doesn't mean that we prepare our youth for adulthood. Would a state that just hands out college diplomas in the mail better prepare their students? I'll give you an example that you might be able to follow. My daughter played in a tee ball league. Because each kid got a trophy does that mean that they are better prepared to play in the MLB? Oh, my opinion doesn't agree with your socialist agenda, I must be wrong.

NY does a great job at one thing. Educating our youth well enough to realize that NY is not a good place for a young person to start off of in life. As an example, the flood of studies that say that a huge portion of our youth are moving out of NYS.

I've given you a lot to think about, take your time replying. Like you did with the last one, editing the post for 15 minutes after you posted it.