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Yes I visited friends in other parts of the state. I didnt go to school in Charlotte. Charlotte is flatter than most places I have been. Nothing wrong with it but thats how I feel.
I posted very recently about going to grad school there. Do you really think I spent hours upon hours googling NC so that I can post about it on here? Please. I've lived there- thats how I know what I know.
if you try to tell me you went to Duke or UNC I am going to....I don't even know what.
Pequa ... If everything is the same ....why do so many retirees move off the island ? Most of the their homes are paid off.. Why,cause they could get so much more outside of the island and the col is so much less, that they could live very comfortably on less income. I have a whole bunch near me and live very very well and they wouldn't be living as well on the Island. And RN's make more here than most places.
Just as many stay on the island and live great lives on their retirements here. The ones who leave, it's for the warmer weather, the peace and quiet, cheaper taxes, simpler lifestyle and lower COL. I totally get that. The empty nester who no longer works and has no need for the schools (and the high taxes) anymore, and who's sitting on a huge chunk of equity in their LI home.
What you're focusing on is one segment of the population. To someone on a fixed income without a mortgage, kids moved away, living out their golden years, yeah, saving $5k-$15k a year would certainly be much more appealing. Enough for some to take the plunge down south. But to your average middle age person/household, that amount of money is not significant enough to transplant theirs and their entire family's lives. When it comes down to it, LI's intangibles (esp higher paying jobs) are worth much more than a scaled-down cheaper lifestyle and shinier house/larger yard.
The reason I was saying to exclude intangibles earlier was to get a rough average of how much people are truly saving on basic COL expenses. I've seen people claim it takes double to live on LI vs the south, or that $100k LI money = $60k down south. In reality, that's not the case. No one has proved otherwise.
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Like I said many times before... Families of 4 and 5 live very comfortably down here on 75k that wouldn't fly on the island..... I don't know why you have such a hard time wrapping your head around how much cheaper it is to live elsewhere...maybe if you hear it from your good friend Kayfouroh, you'll start believing
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"how much" cheaper it is' will vary by individual/household. Look at Jdawg..she said her COL is actually LESS on LI and she makes 3x as much as she would in NC. Retirees and those on fixed incomes will definitely find it cheaper. You should be telling the OP how much cheaper it is and that there's no need for her to commute to LI for better pay.
I will say this though, from the examples you showed, Midlothian definitely looks like a good area for RNs to consider moving to (if they are looking to move to VA). How is RN pay that high in midlo and so much lower in NC? Maybe it's all the retirees creating this demand?
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**Sigh** Why is it that everyone thinks everyone in Nassau County works in Manhattan? Or that everyone who works in Nassau County makes $95K per year?
The median HOUSEHOLD INCOME in Nassau County is $95K. The average JOB in Nassau pays about $50 to $60K depending upon the source. Only about 20 % of the folks in Nassau commute to work in NYC.
Utilities take care of any STAR difference. (100% increase for electricity and 40% for natural gas)
Again, paying an extra $6K or $7K per year for the dump in Levittown is still a lot of money to most folks. It's more when your taxes are $11k or more per year. I don't know why you consider this chump change, especially over a longer period of time. And then there are those darn intangibles.
The reason I used household is because it's usually the best comparison of earnings power in a region, plus the fact that RNs usually earn around the median household income (after benefits), as do many good electricians. I guess we could use median income for full-time workers:
NASSAU COUNTY
Median earnings for male full-time, year-round workers (dollars) 69,402
Median earnings for female full-time, year-round workers (dollars) 52,184
CHARLOTTE
Median earnings for male full-time, year-round workers (dollars) 47,506
Median earnings for female full-time, year-round workers (dollars) 38,633
Nassau County median pay for male workers is $16k more than the HOUSEHOLD income in Charlotte, $22k more than male ft workers in Charlotte.
Nassau County median pay for female workers is only $1k less than HOUSEHOLD income in Charlotte, $14k more than female ft workers in Charlotte.
Nassau household income is $42k more than Charlotte household income.
Enough said.
On the whole "NYC" doesn't count thing, that point is moot. It just makes 0 (common)sense.
Btw, if you count all the boroughs it's well over 25%. moot.
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If you are a plumber, electrician (especially uinon) or RN, well the reality is that you can make more in the NYC metro area than in most places, but as you stipulated, jobs are an individual situation. Once you get past jobs like those, civil service jobs, and the "special" jobs that pay top dollar in NYC, most average office worker jobs pay about what you can get somewhere else.
Once we get past 50+% of the jobs, then you're saying most office worker jobs pay the same.
I disagree and give you an example of reality- Many bartenders, garbage men, limo drivers and waitresses on LI make more than RNs and teachers in the south.
Just as many stay on the island and live great lives on their retirements here. The ones who leave, it's for the warmer weather, the peace and quiet, cheaper taxes, simpler lifestyle and lower COL. I totally get that. The empty nester who no longer works and has no need for the schools (and the high taxes) anymore, and who's sitting on a huge chunk of equity in their LI home.
What you're focusing on is one segment of the population. To someone on a fixed income without a mortgage, kids moved away, living out their golden years, yeah, saving $5k-$15k a year would certainly be much more appealing. Enough for some to take the plunge down south. But to your average middle age person/household, that amount of money is not significant enough to transplant theirs and their entire family's lives. When it comes down to it, LI's intangibles (esp higher paying jobs) are worth much more than a scaled-down cheaper lifestyle and shinier house/larger yard.
The reason I was saying to exclude intangibles earlier was to get a rough average of how much people are truly saving on basic COL expenses. I've seen people claim it takes double to live on LI vs the south, or that $100k LI money = $60k down south. In reality, that's not the case. No one has proved otherwise.
"how much" cheaper it is' will vary by individual/household. Look at Jdawg..she said her COL is actually LESS on LI and she makes 3x as much as she would in NC. Retirees and those on fixed incomes will definitely find it cheaper. You should be telling the OP how much cheaper it is and that there's no need for her to commute to LI for better pay.
I will say this though, from the examples you showed, Midlothian definitely looks like a good area for RNs to consider moving to (if they are looking to move to VA). How is RN pay that high in midlo and so much lower in NC? Maybe it's all the retirees creating this demand?
The reason I used household is because it's usually the best comparison of earnings power in a region, plus the fact that RNs usually earn around the median household income (after benefits), as do many good electricians. I guess we could use median income for full-time workers:
NASSAU COUNTY
Median earnings for male full-time, year-round workers (dollars) 69,402
Median earnings for female full-time, year-round workers (dollars) 52,184
CHARLOTTE
Median earnings for male full-time, year-round workers (dollars) 47,506
Median earnings for female full-time, year-round workers (dollars) 38,633
Nassau County median pay for male workers is $16k more than the HOUSEHOLD income in Charlotte, $22k more than male ft workers in Charlotte.
Nassau County median pay for female workers is only $1k less than HOUSEHOLD income in Charlotte, $14k more than female ft workers in Charlotte.
Nassau household income is $42k more than Charlotte household income.
Enough said.
On the whole "NYC" doesn't count thing, that point is moot. It just makes 0 (common)sense.
Btw, if you count all the boroughs it's well over 25%. moot.
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Once we get past 50+% of the jobs, then you're saying most office worker jobs pay the same.
I disagree and give you an example of reality- Many bartenders, garbage men, limo drivers and waitresses on LI make more than RNs and teachers in the south.
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I'm a little lit, taking out my bro and 4 friends to a nice bar.....grey goose and cran 2.95 try that on the Island ,lol.....I really didn't read anything you type btw Enjoy the Holiday!
Just as many stay on the island and live great lives on their retirements here. The ones who leave, it's for the warmer weather, the peace and quiet, cheaper taxes, simpler lifestyle and lower COL. I totally get that. The empty nester who no longer works and has no need for the schools (and the high taxes) anymore, and who's sitting on a huge chunk of equity in their LI home.
What you're focusing on is one segment of the population. To someone on a fixed income without a mortgage, kids moved away, living out their golden years, yeah, saving $5k-$15k a year would certainly be much more appealing. Enough for some to take the plunge down south. But to your average middle age person/household, that amount of money is not significant enough to transplant theirs and their entire family's lives. When it comes down to it, LI's intangibles (esp higher paying jobs) are worth much more than a scaled-down cheaper lifestyle and shinier house/larger yard.
The reason I was saying to exclude intangibles earlier was to get a rough average of how much people are truly saving on basic COL expenses. I've seen people claim it takes double to live on LI vs the south, or that $100k LI money = $60k down south. In reality, that's not the case. No one has proved otherwise.
"how much" cheaper it is' will vary by individual/household. Look at Jdawg..she said her COL is actually LESS on LI and she makes 3x as much as she would in NC. Retirees and those on fixed incomes will definitely find it cheaper. You should be telling the OP how much cheaper it is and that there's no need for her to commute to LI for better pay.
I will say this though, from the examples you showed, Midlothian definitely looks like a good area for RNs to consider moving to (if they are looking to move to VA). How is RN pay that high in midlo and so much lower in NC? Maybe it's all the retirees creating this demand?
The reason I used household is because it's usually the best comparison of earnings power in a region, plus the fact that RNs usually earn around the median household income (after benefits), as do many good electricians. I guess we could use median income for full-time workers:
NASSAU COUNTY
Median earnings for male full-time, year-round workers (dollars) 69,402
Median earnings for female full-time, year-round workers (dollars) 52,184
CHARLOTTE
Median earnings for male full-time, year-round workers (dollars) 47,506
Median earnings for female full-time, year-round workers (dollars) 38,633
Nassau County median pay for male workers is $16k more than the HOUSEHOLD income in Charlotte, $22k more than male ft workers in Charlotte.
Nassau County median pay for female workers is only $1k less than HOUSEHOLD income in Charlotte, $14k more than female ft workers in Charlotte.
Nassau household income is $42k more than Charlotte household income.
Enough said.
On the whole "NYC" doesn't count thing, that point is moot. It just makes 0 (common)sense.
Btw, if you count all the boroughs it's well over 25%. moot.
.
Once we get past 50+% of the jobs, then you're saying most office worker jobs pay the same.
I disagree and give you an example of reality- Many bartenders, garbage men, limo drivers and waitresses on LI make more than RNs and teachers in the south.
This is 100% right. Also a lot has to do with what kind of job you have. If you work in television, you'd make a heck of a lot more in NY than you would in NC. Same with a teacher. LI teachers are paid very well (i think too much but I'm not getting into that now), however teachers in other areas make absolute bupkiss. For most of the country, a teacher isn't a high paying job. Look at Suffolk County cops. I am sure no other cops in the country (except Nassau) are making anywhere close that.
Just bc housing prices and taxes are cheaper in NC doesnt necessarily mean that your COL is cheaper nor is it like that for everyone. Some professions, yes it is worth it, others like mine- no.
Just as many stay on the island and live great lives on their retirements here. The ones who leave, it's for the warmer weather, the peace and quiet, cheaper taxes, simpler lifestyle and lower COL. I totally get that. The empty nester who no longer works and has no need for the schools (and the high taxes) anymore, and who's sitting on a huge chunk of equity in their LI home.
What you're focusing on is one segment of the population. To someone on a fixed income without a mortgage, kids moved away, living out their golden years, yeah, saving $5k-$15k a year would certainly be much more appealing. Enough for some to take the plunge down south. But to your average middle age person/household, that amount of money is not significant enough to transplant theirs and their entire family's lives. When it comes down to it, LI's intangibles (esp higher paying jobs) are worth much more than a scaled-down cheaper lifestyle and shinier house/larger yard.
The reason I was saying to exclude intangibles earlier was to get a rough average of how much people are truly saving on basic COL expenses. I've seen people claim it takes double to live on LI vs the south, or that $100k LI money = $60k down south. In reality, that's not the case. No one has proved otherwise.
I'll bite here - because you're discussing the 2 areas I know intimately. The "huge chunk of equity", "intangibles (esp higher paying jobs)", etc are the old paradigm. Thanks to technology you're beginning to see a shift in the workforce. You can ignore this and continue to believe your own version - that's fine... But my parents raised me on LI with Mom staying home, in a shinier house/larger yard than in Brooklyn where they came from, on a cookie cutter block, in a new school district, "out on the sticks" (Suffolk)... now 40+ years later in today's paradigm - both parents work dropping kids at daycare 8am to 8pm, the block is "mature" (run down), the schools are "mature" (run down), the municipalities are broke, and everyone is running up credit cards to look the part of success. It's the new paradigm... So when you want to talk "intangibles" - cover the gambit and don't cherrypick... LI historically was EXACTLY what you're mocking other places for... It was no different - and LI broke itself by promising its civil servants the moon... and the stars... and the sun. It will only get worse from a COL perspective - much worse. Do I really need to "prove" that to you? Does anyone? You don't see the writing on the wall?
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"how much" cheaper it is' will vary by individual/household. Look at Jdawg..she said her COL is actually LESS on LI and she makes 3x as much as she would in NC. Retirees and those on fixed incomes will definitely find it cheaper. You should be telling the OP how much cheaper it is and that there's no need for her to commute to LI for better pay.
I will say this though, from the examples you showed, Midlothian definitely looks like a good area for RNs to consider moving to (if they are looking to move to VA). How is RN pay that high in midlo and so much lower in NC? Maybe it's all the retirees creating this demand?
Her example is ludicrous... I mean really. I'm shocked to think she even went away for school and missed all those evening hugs. She doesn't live in reality so those numbers are borked. The larger metros will have the best paying healthcare jobs - of course, like with any profession, it will vary. But I don't see how you can use a silly example here to "prove" anything...
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The reason I used household is because it's usually the best comparison of earnings power in a region, plus the fact that RNs usually earn around the median household income (after benefits), as do many good electricians. I guess we could use median income for full-time workers:
NASSAU COUNTY
Median earnings for male full-time, year-round workers (dollars) 69,402
Median earnings for female full-time, year-round workers (dollars) 52,184
CHARLOTTE
Median earnings for male full-time, year-round workers (dollars) 47,506
Median earnings for female full-time, year-round workers (dollars) 38,633
Nassau County median pay for male workers is $16k more than the HOUSEHOLD income in Charlotte, $22k more than male ft workers in Charlotte.
Nassau County median pay for female workers is only $1k less than HOUSEHOLD income in Charlotte, $14k more than female ft workers in Charlotte.
Nassau household income is $42k more than Charlotte household income.
Enough said.
The problem with your math here is that it is not apples to apples... comparing Meck county (the city) to Nassau county (the suburbs) is just wrong. Nassau is double the density and has a slightly higher population... as a suburb. If you want to try and get a better comparison then look at specific areas like South Charlotte. Look at the suburbs around the city... compare the right way. If I dropped you in certain areas in Myers Park... or took you to Southpark... I guarantee you'd be shocked that it looks like high end Nassau county and your head would spin. Great, mature public schools and neighborhoods - Beemers and Benz' as far as the eye can see - aka Nassau county... Compare the median earnings that way. You don't get this plugging searches into google and it's difficult coming up with copy/paste "proof". But at the end of the day, you're disputing opinions... opinions from people who have seen both sides... that know both areas - you don't... so, you don't get to say "Enough said" and end it. Live in both areas and then let us know the real deal.
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On the whole "NYC" doesn't count thing, that point is moot. It just makes 0 (common)sense.
Btw, if you count all the boroughs it's well over 25%. moot.
Once we get past 50+% of the jobs, then you're saying most office worker jobs pay the same.
I disagree and give you an example of reality- Many bartenders, garbage men, limo drivers and waitresses on LI make more than RNs and teachers in the south.
Some bartenders, waitresses, etc service people make more than RNs and teachers... all over... I knew some bartenders who made more than LI teachers on LI... I knew teachers who would bartend in the Summer and clean house. No idea what this proves except that the right service job makes some good cash. But that doesn't mean you want to raise a family like that...
P... If you owned two cars, full insurance would be around 800 for the year for both..Since its not oil... It would be around 35% cheaper to run do to the utilities are much cheaper here. Home owners insurance would be less then 400. You could rent that whole house for 1,400 or mortgage it for 1,000 a month and the costs to run the house would be a lot lot less... You have to add these factors and a whole lot more. More then meets the eye.
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Other than price and size of home, how is everything else different in your neck of the woods compared to typical LI? Is it woodsy? More mosquitoes or other insects? More cows/horses? Is it one-lane roads? Are they lit at night? Is it stripmalls? Is it mom and pop shops? Are they cheaper? Is there a "going into town"? Are there chains just the same, more or less of them? Does it take 15+ mins at near-highway speeds to get to civilization? I want to hear everything that is the same or different please.
interesting jdawg.....just curious why are you commuting into the city to be a vet?!
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