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I'd love to see your factual back-up for that, since I'm not aware of any governmental policy by which anyone who ends up in deportation proceedings gets a free pass because of a kid.
Do people go overlooked and therefore un-deported, because the system is disastrously overburdened? Sure. There are lots of places where, as long as you live a relatively quiet life, you may never end up on Immigration's radar. But I've never heard of a situation where someone actually ended up in deportation proceedings and said "no, but seriously, I have a kid who is a citizen," and the Immigration judge was just like "well okay then, go forth and collect welfare, have a nice life."
ETA: And if you don't want people making assumptions about your talk radio preferences, maybe try not using language popular with hateful bigots when discussing immigration.
I am talking about the vehicle where they are allowed to stay and care for their underaged children and get benefits for it, which is a fact. Nobody is deported because of this.
YOU are stating that I am talking about illegal aliens who get in trouble for something beyond just being in this country illegally (which is merely considered an "administrative crime" in the US) and face deportation and try to use their kids to stay. Open up your eyes. Where did I write any of that? Of course, if illegal aliens commit crimes on US soil or otherwise attract negative attention of Homeland Security, having minor kids in the US will be no excuse or defense to deportation.
I am talking about the vehicle where they are allowed to stay and care for their underaged children and get benefits for it, which is a fact. Nobody is deported because of this.
YOU are stating that I am talking about illegal aliens who get in trouble for something beyond just being in this country illegally (which is merely considered an "administrative crime") and face deportation and try to use their kids to stay. Open up your eyes. Where did I write any of that? Of course, if illegal aliens commit crimes on US soil or otherwise attract negative attention of Homeland Security, having minor kids in the US will be no excuse.
And I'm asking for evidence of that, because my experience with immigration policy does not reflect that statement in even the tiniest of degrees.
The issue for people making the decision to move though, isn't "schools" generally - yes, if you air-drop a kid into any random location on LI, you're statistically more likely to have air-dropped into a "good" school district than if you did the same thing in NC. But no one's deciding where to live by randomly air-dropping themselves into a general area and hoping for the best. The fact is, if you're a skilled professional, there's a real probability that you could relocate to NC without taking all that much of a pay cut, and could take advantage of the much-lower COL to buy your way into a much better school district than what you'd be able to afford on LI.
So, on the statewide level, do NC schools perform worse than LI schools? Probably, yes. But for someone trying to decide whether or not to relocate, you're not comparing "average" to "average" - you're comparing what you can afford in one place to what you can afford in the other. And those are likely to be drastically different options, considering how the high COL and even higher property taxes on LI significantly limit what even middle- and upper-middle class parents can afford.
Well, yes, I do agree with what you're saying. If someone can only afford a $300-400k house on LI, then it isn't going to be in a very good district whereas in NC that same money will by a house in a good district. I have no issue with that.
What I do have an issue with is the post that said her NC school is just as good as any school on LI, perhaps even better. And I have a big issue with the statement that LI schools just hand out good grades & pass the students along- that is just not true & test scores back that up. What I would really like to see is actual numbers comparing a top NC school to a top LI school (like Jericho, which actually isn't even #1 in the state).
They are artificially inflated because of the fed or QE (whatever number we are on). Basically, that was a bail out of the finance industry, but as the QE bubble deflates, finance will continue to whither on the vine and continue its slow decline. The 2000's were an anomaly where finance and Manhattan jobs made up a greater percentage of GDP. That bubble has been on a slow decline and the big banks are already moving middle management jobs out of Manhattan and moving them to lower cost locales. What private sector jobs are going to be leftover to fund all the entitlements and unfunded pension liabilities? If Long Island housing values weren't artifically propped up, the whole house of cards would tumble down in that area.
State spending per pupil is 2/3rd less here, but also don't forget that teachers and administrators are making half as much, so students are benefiting more. The state is also able to help out with greater block funding through income and sales tax because they aren't being gouged by illegals and welfare types collecting TARP and Medicaid payments.
So you think Manhattan prices are going to decline as well? I don't see that happening- prices are actually going up. And as long as Manhattan prices are high, LI prices will be high, just like they will be other nice areas that are commuteable to NYC. (edited to add that the financial industry always has it's ups & downs but it always seems to find some new way of making money)
I'm not sure if students benefit more if teachers are paid less. On LI teacher pay is very high & it's a competitive industry so it stands to reason that it's going to attract a better talent pool. I think the quality of teachers is probably the #1 most important thing in education.
So you think Manhattan prices are going to decline as well? I don't see that happening- prices are actually going up. And as long as Manhattan prices are high, LI prices will be high, just like they will be other nice areas that are commuteable to NYC. (edited to add that the financial industry always has it's ups & downs but it always seems to find some new way of making money)
I'm not sure if students benefit more if teachers are paid less. On LI teacher pay is very high & it's a competitive industry so it stands to reason that it's going to attract a better talent pool. I think the quality of teachers is probably the #1 most important thing in education.
It does attract resumes from many very qualified teachers, but the reality on LI is that getting a teacher's job depends on your connections in the particular school district more so than your actual qualifications. Yes, I know some people get hired without connections, but the way it should be is that it's a civil service exam and mandates are in place to keep out the connections and graft and hire people on their qualifications. That does not happen with LI's teachers. No civil service exam and you apply directly to the school districts. Of course they will hire "the son of Mrs. X" or whoever, no matter how mediocre, before they consider a "stranger" with excellent qualifications. The higher paid civil service jobs are considered a "commodity" in our crony and good old boy centered governmental run entities.
It does attract resumes from many very qualified teachers, but the reality on LI is that getting a teacher's job depends on your connections in the particular school district more so than your actual qualifications. Yes, I know some people get hired without connections, but the way it should be is that it's a civil service exam and mandates are in place to keep out the connections and graft and hire people on their qualifications. That does not happen with LI's teachers. No civil service exam and you apply directly to the school districts. Of course they will hire "the son of Mrs. X" or whoever, no matter how mediocre, before they consider a "stranger" with excellent qualifications. The higher paid civil service jobs are considered a "commodity" in our crony and good old boy centered governmental run entities.
Just because you are paying teachers twice as much as the national average, don't automatically assume price equates with quality. Some guy I grew up with was well-connected, not very bright but got hired into the Longwood school district. Found out that he was arrested for child pornography. These sky high salaries generate tons of resumes, but those who are chosen aren't necessarily the best qualified. The job goes to the well connected.
It does attract resumes from many very qualified teachers, but the reality on LI is that getting a teacher's job depends on your connections in the particular school district more so than your actual qualifications. Yes, I know some people get hired without connections, but the way it should be is that it's a civil service exam and mandates are in place to keep out the connections and graft and hire people on their qualifications. That does not happen with LI's teachers. No civil service exam and you apply directly to the school districts. Of course they will hire "the son of Mrs. X" or whoever, no matter how mediocre, before they consider a "stranger" with excellent qualifications. The higher paid civil service jobs are considered a "commodity" in our crony and good old boy centered governmental run entities.
Well yes- that happens to some extent in most industries. But if the pay wasn't high enough, then many people who are smart & talented wouldn't consider going into teaching.
But if the pay wasn't high enough, then many people who are smart & talented wouldn't consider going into teaching.
Where would these winners go? Wall Street. Please. Most of them couldn't even hack it at Walmart. Hate to see all that "talent" walk away from those 100K jobs where they leave at 2 o'clock everyday and are off half the year.
Well yes- that happens to some extent in most industries. But if the pay wasn't high enough, then many people who are smart & talented wouldn't consider going into teaching.
The pay is only "high" in areas where unions have seized control of the teacher labor market like ours, and that is an anomaly compared to real wages in the vast majority of the country where teachers are more routinely underpaid than overpaid.
Also plenty of LI'ers that are NOT smart nor talented go into teaching precisely because they know their connections will get them a job unfairly. Again, the crony network.
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These sky high salaries generate tons of resumes, but those who are chosen aren't necessarily the best qualified. The job goes to the well connected.
