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Old 04-24-2016, 04:32 PM
 
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Surprise? Lawsuit brought about by Hempstead resident:

Housing Bias Outlasts Ruling in a Long Island Village - NYTimes.com

According to Mrs. Crosson: "In Queens, it was more of a mixed neighborhood." (DUH!)
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Old 04-24-2016, 04:52 PM
 
Location: under the beautiful Carolina blue
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Don't you know people are entitled to live wherever they want, whether they can afford it or not? If they can't afford it, it's the government's job to make sure they can.

Wake up and feel the Bern.

(the organization that brought this lawsuit is the former ACORN).
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Old 04-24-2016, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Nassau County
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My favorite line:

Nonetheless, Ms. Goins, who lives in Hempstead, called the ruling historic. “Having grown up in African-American communities on Long Island, I always knew that we were locked into certain places,” she explained. “You could visit Garden City, but you could not stay.”


Uh no lady. You most certainly can stay if you earn enough income to actually purchase a home there, then there is nothing that can be done to stop you no matter the color of your skin. Until then you have to settle for what you can afford along with the vast majority of the white population on LI that can't afford Garden City either. The attitude that something is just "owed" to you is infuriating.
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Old 04-24-2016, 06:01 PM
 
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My favorite line:

Nonetheless, Ms. Goins, who lives in Hempstead, called the ruling historic. “Having grown up in African-American communities on Long Island, I always knew that we were locked into certain places,” she explained. “You could visit Garden City, but you could not stay.”


Uh no lady. You most certainly can stay if you earn enough income to actually purchase a home there, then there is nothing that can be done to stop you no matter the color of your skin. Until then you have to settle for what you can afford along with the vast majority of the white population on LI that can't afford Garden City either. The attitude that something is just "owed" to you is infuriating.
two issues with this. One, it's pretty clear that the ability to earn enough income is not a level playing field. College education or not, there is no each path to earning enough to own a home in general. Two, there are most certainly ways that people can stop you from moving where you'd like based on the color of your skin. More so in areas with Home Owner Associations, but you can run in to road blocks anywhere if someone who holds enough power doesn't seem you fit enough in that area.
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Old 04-24-2016, 06:03 PM
 
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Don't you know people are entitled to live wherever they want, whether they can afford it or not? If they can't afford it, it's the government's job to make sure they can.

Wake up and feel the Bern.

(the organization that brought this lawsuit is the former ACORN).
I'll take a flying leap of a guess here and say you probably don't know much about his platform. No where does he say it's the govts job to provide you with a home in an affluent area just because you want it.
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Old 04-24-2016, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Nassau County
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two issues with this. One, it's pretty clear that the ability to earn enough income is not a level playing field. College education or not, there is no each path to earning enough to own a home in general. Two, there are most certainly ways that people can stop you from moving where you'd like based on the color of your skin. More so in areas with Home Owner Associations, but you can run in to road blocks anywhere if someone who holds enough power doesn't seem you fit enough in that area.
Nonsense. If a black family wants to move to garden city no one can legally stop them from purchasing a home there period.

And as for level playing field? Guess what that's life. No one has a "equal playing field" and never will. Another progressive utopian myth. Still does not entitle those to live in places they can't afford just because they think society wronged them.
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Old 04-24-2016, 06:24 PM
 
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That's wasn't life forty years ago. In fact, all you had to do was graduate from a technical high school, join a field and you could easily own a home in your twenties. That isn't a reality now. Why? The middle class is dying off faster than iconic celebrities in the last two years.

Edit: I don't understand how you can assert that it's a myth. In the fifties families lived off of one main income brought in by the husband yet they still owned houses! They went on vacations and had savings accounts. Saying it is a myth flies in the face of recent history. You literally have to close your eyes, plug your ears and pretend that recent trade agreements haven't changed things. That the top of the ladder doesn't have far more now that it previously had while everyone else has less.
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Old 04-24-2016, 06:47 PM
 
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That's wasn't life forty years ago. In fact, all you had to do was graduate from a technical high school, join a field and you could easily own a home in your twenties. That isn't a reality now. Why? The middle class is dying off faster than iconic celebrities in the last
This has nothing to do with garden city and everything to do with the entire country. If you can't afford it, you can't afford it. I would like to live in gramercy. Is it NYC's obligation to set aside a brownstone for my household?

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In the fifties families lived off of one main income brought in by the husband yet they still owned houses! They went on vacations and had savings accounts. Saying it is a myth flies in the face of recent history. You literally have to close your eyes, plug your ears and pretend that recent trade agreements haven't changed things. That the top of the ladder doesn't have far more now that it previously had while everyone else has less.
In the fifties, middle class families living off of one main income could not afford to live in Lenox Hill either. What's new about this arrangement?
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Old 04-24-2016, 06:58 PM
 
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It's kind of silly for implying that multifamily housing is needed for minority families to move in. My town is very diverse and there aren't that many apartment buildings.

And not of all of Queens is diverse anyway, a lot of the neighborhoods in Southeast Queens are overwhelmingly black.
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Old 04-24-2016, 07:40 PM
 
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This has nothing to do with garden city and everything to do with the entire country. If you can't afford it, you can't afford it. I would like to live in gramercy. Is it NYC's obligation to set aside a brownstone for my household?



In the fifties, middle class families living off of one main income could not afford to live in Lenox Hill either. What's new about this arrangement?
Fair enough on that point. But home ownership is on the decline in most of the country. My response was aimed at the suggestion that there was never a more level playing field and that that was a myth.
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