New Art Museum and Civic Park Coming to Downtown LA (Los Angeles: house, school)

[SoCal35]

Originally Posted by BVitamin

It'll probably be a good trip for a laugh.

Well...no less a laugh than trying to find even ONE major art museum in or near Oil City, PA where you've apparently given thought to relocating. That is a good 100 miles north of Pittsburgh.....good luck.

Oil City, PA

[BVitamin]

Originally Posted by SoCal35

Well...no less a laugh than trying to find even ONE major art museum in or near Oil City, PA where you've apparently given thought to relocating. That is a good 100 miles north of Pittsburgh.....good luck.

Oil City, PA

I'm sorry, but could you please explain the logic behind that correlation? You're assuming that I want to live near a 'major art museum' because I've been looking into remote cities? Or are you trying hard to criticize me because I criticized a museum in Los Angeles? I live in the central valley, the nearest 'major museum' to me is The Getty, 2 and a half hours away from me, at least.

Go ahead check it out, all my posts, most have been inquiring about really small cities.

You sir are grasping at straws. Try again.

[californio sur]

Originally Posted by SoCal35

Well...no less a laugh than trying to find even ONE major art museum in or near Oil City, PA where you've apparently given thought to relocating. That is a good 100 miles north of Pittsburgh.....good luck.

Oil City, PA

Hope it isn't like Oil City California [population 800], suburb of Oildale [pop: 28,000] which is a suburb of Bakersfield. Current temperature: 102F

[SoCal35]

Originally Posted by BVitamin

I'm sorry, but could you please explain the logic behind that correlation? You're assuming that I want to live near a 'major art museum' because I've been looking into remote cities? Or are you trying hard to criticize me because I criticized a museum in Los Angeles? I live in the central valley, the nearest 'major museum' to me is The Getty, 2 and a half hours away from me, at least.

Go ahead check it out, all my posts, most have been inquiring about really small cities.

You sir are grasping at straws. Try again.

Ok...now I am laughing even harder as you take pot shots at podunk LA's terrible art museums from some great metropolis in the central valley.

Los Angeles certainly isn't New York when it comes to modern art museums but it's got a pretty solid grouping for a city that had next to nothing as recently as 1960.

[BVitamin]

Originally Posted by SoCal35

Ok...now I am laughing even harder as you take pot shots at podunk LA's terrible art museums from some great metropolis in the central valley.

Does laughing harder make your ad hominems more logical? I hope for you it does because that statement alone is failing terribly at you trying to take shots at me.

What's even funnier is when someone thinks that criticizing an aspect of the city they inhabit is the same as criticizing the person. You still haven't explained your 'argument' of me wanting to be near a 'major museum' because I thought of moving to a small city/town.

[SoCal35]

Originally Posted by BVitamin

Does laughing harder make your ad hominems more logical? I hope for you it does because that statement alone is failing terribly at you trying to take shots at me.

What's even funnier is when someone thinks that criticizing an aspect of the city they inhabit is the same as criticizing the person. You still haven't explained your 'argument' of me wanting to be near a 'major museum' because I thought of moving to a small city/town.

Well....sure you are free to be critical anything or any city be it Paris, France or Paris, Texas.

It's just that the intensity of your dislike for LA's art museums suggested you are the kind of person that would like to visit them often. Maybe even to live close to such institutions.

I've not met many culture snobs in the central valley......mostly mid-town Manhattan or Brentwood for that matter.

[BVitamin]

Originally Posted by SoCal35

Well....sure you are free to be critical anything or any city be it Paris, France or Paris, Texas.

It's just that the intensity of your dislike for LA's art museums suggested you are the kind of person that would like to visit them often. Maybe even to live close to such institutions.

I've not met many culture snobs in the central valley......mostly mid-town Manhattan or Brentwood for that matter.

Well to clarify, I've only been criticizing LACMA and their new contemporary museum. There was another thread about dowtown LA, I spoke highly of the Norton Simon. I'll even say that the Hammer Museum has a pretty nice collection for the size of the museum and on rare occasions they do hold a nice contemporary exhibition. The Getty has a fairly nice collection as well, not to mention the exquisite architecture of the museum; some time ago they held a small Rembrandt exhibition which I thought was wonderful. As much as I may compare LA's museums to NYC's museums as not being quite up to par, they have their fair share of bad ones; although not museums, the Chelsea area is littered with what I think is bad art, which isn't to say all. I'll even add Chicago Museum of Art has its bad sections.

I wouldn't say I'm from the central valley, my primary upbringing was in Orange County (20 something years), but even then I didn't consider myself a part of OC as much as OC is generally depicted.

[BVitamin]

I'll add that, yes I am rather particular about art and coming across as a snob is fine with me. And I wouldn't necessarily correlate art with culture, just check out SFMOMA, I'll probably get heat for that but whatever.

[Bunjee]

Originally Posted by SoCal35

Los Angeles certainly isn't New York when it comes to modern art museums but it's got a pretty solid grouping for a city that had next to nothing as recently as 1960.

My quoting you here is only meant as a general defense of L.A.'s cultural history because that's true, but not really true. L.A. is very strong in contemporary art and has been for decades. It was one of the loci for Pop Art in the '60s along with NYC and London. After all, Andy Warhol's very first show was in Los Angeles and there was a reason for it. The city's fostered lots of contemporary artists, and movements, from Ed Ruscha to Robert Williams to so many other names well-known in the art world. No one in that world would diminish Los Angeles' contribution to it, and it flummoxes me that the popular imagination can't seem to accept L.A. as an art capital, I guess because it doesn't "seem" like an "art capital", maybe because it doesn't feel "stodgy" enough...? For contemporary art, particularly Pop Art, that attitude is very ironic. I just wanted to put that out there, though.

Now, not everyone likes contemporary art. That's fine. There are other art forms that don't do it for me either, but if they have an audience then let 'em build venues for 'em! I might check 'em out!

On topic, if the Grand Avenue project can finally get underway that will be an amazing corridor. I've seen renderings of the Gehry designed hotel and it would be a perfect complement to Disney Hall.

[BVitamin]

Bunjee, well said. Bra-vo. Despite my general indifference towards Warhol, Rushca, and Williams, reps to you; particularly for bringing up irony in those movements, I would even extend that idea to Post-Modernism and Contemporary artistic ideas, generally speaking.