Why are the Mexicans here so racist against Asians? (Los Angeles: construction, school)

[Woof]

Originally Posted by Gentoo

I don't think that has anything to do with what they consider themselves. They may be southeast asia geographically but as I've said many times on this site, one cannot just draw a line and decide for other people who they are. They know who they are better than we know who they are.

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[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by Woof

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Thanks woof

[Vinsanity]

Originally Posted by Gentoo

I don't think that has anything to do with what they consider themselves. They may be southeast asia geographically but as I've said many times on this site, one cannot just draw a line and decide for other people who they are. They know who they are better than we know who they are.

Thank you. As someone who is regularly mistaken for Chinese, even by Chinese-Americans, then there's no denying at least a partial Asian identity.

[silverkris]

Originally Posted by Jonah K

Pilipinos are "Southeast Asians" like Malaysians, Indonesians, Thais, Vietnamese, Laotians, Cambodians, etc.

Unfortunately, some Pilipinos are so confused that they don't know whether to refer to themselves as "Pilipinos" or "Filipinos." There's no "F" sound in Tagalog or most of other indigenous languages spoken in the Philippines. However, over 300 years of Spanish colonization followed by approximately 50 years of American colonization can leave a country and its people a little confused about who and what they are.

Oh, the Filipinos I know definitely know who they are. You can look at it another way - their mixed cultural heritage of Malay/indigenous, Chinese, Spanish and American has probably helped them adapt to many different societies/situations - a lot of Filipinos work overseas and send their earnings home.

[oceanlover17]

gI am Vietnamese and I live in Los Angeles. I moved here 2 years ago and I was surprised to see that Hispanics are racist against Asians since I figure we are both minorities. Alot of young Latino men are racist. They say "ching chong" to me. Older Hispanic women in their 50s and 60s are too. They are racist because they are egotistical. They think Hispanics should be the only race in Los Angeles. I take the public bus and there are T.V.s on them. Sometimes, if not alot of times, they play things in Spanish.

[Jonah K]

Originally Posted by Gentoo

I don't think that has anything to do with what they consider themselves. They may be southeast asia geographically but as I've said many times on this site, one cannot just draw a line and decide for other people who they are. They know who they are better than we know who they are.

When it comes to Pilipinos, Mexicans, Chamoru and other peoples that were subjected to Spanish colonialism, others have decided who they are and who they are not for generations. However, Pilipinos are not a monolithic group. Even before the Spanish came to the 7,107 islands that were later dubbed "the Philippines", there were over 100 different indigenous tribal and ethnic groups there. From the Aeta to the Waray, all of them spoke different languages and had different customs and cultures. Some groups interbred, while others warred against each other. Thus, when someone says "Ako ay Pilipino" ("I am Pilipino") nowadays it's somewhat akin to saying that one is an "Australian", an "American", a "Chinese", or a "Mexican" -- identities in which geography and national unity often mask and subjugate diversity. For example, a Muslim Tausūg from the Sulu Province and an animist Ati from Panay are just as "Pilipino" as a Catholic Mestizo from Metro Manila; however, the cultural and linguistic differences among them are quite large. As a matter of fact, some Pilipinos have more in common with Malaysians and Indonesians than they do with other "Pilipinos."

In 1967, the Foreign Ministers of the Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore, and Thailand realized that their countries had much in common and formed the "Association of Southeast Asian Nations" (ASEAN).
ASEAN Member Countries

In 1971, independent Pacific Island nations (Nauru, Fiji, Western Samoa, Tonga, New Zealand) and Australia founded a similar group called the "South Pacific Forum", which later became the "Pacific Islands Forum" (PIF). The Philippines has never been (nor is likely to ever become) a member of the PIF because it has little in common with most of the independent nations of Polynesia, Melanesia, and Micronesia.
Pacific Islands Forum Member Countries

However, despite (and often because of) the international and domestic issues of the Philippines, many Pilipinos have emigrated to foreign countries and territories. Places in Micronesia like Guahan (Guam) and Saipan, places in Polynesia like Hawai'i, the continental United States, Canada, Hong Kong, Saudi Arabia, etc. all have large populations of immigrant Pilipinos and their descendants.

Unfortunately, it's usually the descendants of immigrant Pilipinos who don't know who they are and often need to be told that being born on an island that happens to touch the Pacific Ocean or one of their descendants doesn't necessarily make that person a "Pacific Islander."

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by Jonah K

When it comes to Pilipinos, Mexicans, Chamoru and other peoples that were subjected to Spanish colonialism, others have decided who they are and who they are not for generations. However, Pilipinos are not a monolithic group. Even before the Spanish came to the 7,107 islands that were later dubbed "the Philippines", there were over 100 different indigenous tribal and ethnic groups there. From the Aeta to the Waray, all of them spoke different languages and had different customs and cultures. Some groups interbred, while others warred against each other. Thus, when someone says "Ako ay Pilipino" ("I am Pilipino") nowadays it's somewhat akin to saying that one is an "Australian", an "American", a "Chinese", or a "Mexican" -- identities in which geography and national unity often mask and subjugate diversity. For example, a Muslim Tausūg from the Sulu Province and an animist Ati from Panay are just as "Pilipino" as a Catholic Mestizo from Metro Manila; however, the cultural and linguistic differences among them are quite large. As a matter of fact, some Pilipinos have more in common with Malaysians and Indonesians than they do with other "Pilipinos."

In 1967, the Foreign Ministers of the Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Singapore, and Thailand realized that their countries had much in common and formed the "Association of Southeast Asian Nations" (ASEAN).
ASEAN Member Countries

In 1971, independent Pacific Island nations (Nauru, Fiji, Western Samoa, Tonga, New Zealand) and Australia founded a similar group called the "South Pacific Forum", which later became the "Pacific Islands Forum" (PIF). The Philippines has never been (nor is likely to ever become) a member of the PIF because it has little in common with most of the independent nations of Polynesia, Melanesia, and Micronesia.
Pacific Islands Forum Member Countries

However, despite (and often because of) the international and domestic issues of the Philippines, many Pilipinos have emigrated to foreign countries and territories. Places in Micronesia like Guahan (Guam) and Saipan, places in Polynesia like Hawai'i, the continental United States, Canada, Hong Kong, Saudi Arabia, etc. all have large populations of immigrant Pilipinos and their descendants.

Unfortunately, it's usually the descendants of immigrant Pilipinos who don't know who they are and often need to be told that being born on an island that happens to touch the Pacific Ocean or one of their descendants doesn't necessarily make that person a "Pacific Islander."

Thanks for such an informative reply+1

[CamaroGuy]

Originally Posted by oceanlover17

gI am Vietnamese and I live in Los Angeles. I moved here 2 years ago and I was surprised to see that Hispanics are racist against Asians since I figure we are both minorities. Alot of young Latino men are racist. They say "ching chong" to me. Older Hispanic women in their 50s and 60s are too. They are racist because they are egotistical. They think Hispanics should be the only race in Los Angeles. I take the public bus and there are T.V.s on them. Sometimes, if not alot of times, they play things in Spanish.

Some of them are still not over Mexico losing the war to the US back in 1848. Very similar to some of the rednecks down south that still think the Confederacy is alive and well.

[SalParadise]

Originally Posted by CamaroGuy

Some of them are still not over Mexico losing the war to the US back in 1848. Very similar to some of the rednecks down south that still think the Confederacy is alive and well.

Two very different situations and two very different wars.

One a just war (the civil war), the other an unjust war (the U.S.-Mexican War).

To quote Ulysses S. Grant on the U.S.-Mexican War, "I was bitterly opposed to the measure, and to this day, regard the war, which resulted, as one of the most unjust ever waged by a stronger against a weaker nation."

[jackie100]

Originally Posted by SalParadise

Two very different situations and two very different wars.

One a just war (the civil war), the other an unjust war (the U.S.-Mexican War).

To quote Ulysses S. Grant on the U.S.-Mexican War, "I was bitterly opposed to the measure, and to this day, regard the war, which resulted, as one of the most unjust ever waged by a stronger against a weaker nation."

I reported you btw a few days ago for accusing me of being the same person as Nicole818. Just wanted to let you know... I still haven't forgotten nor forgiven.