Judge James Otero screws L.A - guarantees city looks like 3rd world slum (San Diego: city hall, home)

[jamills21]

Originally Posted by majoun

It has EVERYTHING to do with the local PDs - the geographic scope is the city of Los Angeles, not the city of Glendale or any other city.

Thus, the cops where Otero lives can continue to keep order, while in the big bad city of L.A. the cops have to surrender to the homeless.

As if there are not already enough reasons to not move to nor open a business in L.A. City...

http://michaelkohlhaas.org/wp/wp-con...injunction.pdf

the order only extends to the area around skid row. the rest of the city isn't effected by this injunction.

[Astral_Weeks]

Originally Posted by KazChasey

Bravo, libs. Bravo.

Judge Otero was appointed by George W. Bush

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._James_Otero

[arleigh]

How about the city just walk in and take your home ,eminent domain.
It's done all the time when some city wants something that just happens to run through some housing area.
How bout your boss comes to you today and says sorry we are laying every one off and moving the company to Mexico .
Your 50 years old and renting a place that is on the market to be sold and you don't have the money for a the first and last on a another rental, due to Obama care, jack ups on your health insurance leave you even more broke.
And you've got heath issues.
Most homeless did not choose to be homeless ,and many that I know personally had good jobs before being dismantled .
Not all these people are druggies, and some only turn that way after becoming homeless because they lost hope and gave up on them self.
Life is UNFAIR, some times it is character ,or family or as series of bad events or homes under water, any number of things can be the breaking point. Many folk I know have tow part time jobs but the commute between them, barely makes sense for the gas spent to get there,+ baby sitters and all the other things of life.
I have been homeless , I know what it's like. I lived in the desert, in the middle of no where .rattlesnakes came right in the shanty we lived in. Hauled water in 10 miles from town. and lived on solar thermal and photovoltaic and made do .
Jobs were hard to find and often you had to know some one well known in town to get a job.
A place we were getting food assistance form hired me to haul goods and I did that till I got a regular job. there were hundreds of others that were in my position but the charity did not have the resource to hire every one .
Most of the reason people are homeless is the fact the democrats gave away this countries manufacturing with NAFTA.

[jamills21]

Originally Posted by arleigh

How about the city just walk in and take your home ,eminent domain.
It's done all the time when some city wants something that just happens to run through some housing area.
How bout your boss comes to you today and says sorry we are laying every one off and moving the company to Mexico .
Your 50 years old and renting a place that is on the market to be sold and you don't have the money for a the first and last on a another rental, due to Obama care, jack ups on your health insurance leave you even more broke.
And you've got heath issues.
Most homeless did not choose to be homeless ,and many that I know personally had good jobs before being dismantled .
Not all these people are druggies, and some only turn that way after becoming homeless because they lost hope and gave up on them self.
Life is UNFAIR, some times it is character ,or family or as series of bad events or homes under water, any number of things can be the breaking point. Many folk I know have tow part time jobs but the commute between them, barely makes sense for the gas spent to get there,+ baby sitters and all the other things of life.
I have been homeless , I know what it's like. I lived in the desert, in the middle of no where .rattlesnakes came right in the shanty we lived in. Hauled water in 10 miles from town. and lived on solar thermal and photovoltaic and made do .
Jobs were hard to find and often you had to know some one well known in town to get a job.
A place we were getting food assistance form hired me to haul goods and I did that till I got a regular job. there were hundreds of others that were in my position but the charity did not have the resource to hire every one .
Most of the reason people are homeless is the fact the democrats gave away this countries manufacturing with NAFTA.

The court order basically says you can't take homeless possession without notice and due process. I would hope that people would like their constitutional rights not to be violated.

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by jamills21

The court order basically says you can't take homeless possession without notice and due process. I would hope that people would like their constitutional rights not to be violated.

Right.
It's their constitutional right to litter up the sidewalks and oftentimes on private property too?
Where does it say in the constitution that people , homeless or not can use public property to store multiple shopping carts ....(which are stolen shopping carts that belong to private businesses ) full of stuff on the public streets.
I don't think the problem is with a homeless guy with a backpack , the issue is that people don't want the city looking like a 3rd world slum.
Just like not all people that live in houses or apartments are hoarders, not all homeless or hoarders too.

Just wondering , have you seen the types of mini tent cities that I'm talking about . Drive through Hollywood , East Hollywood and other areas and you will see them.

It just should not be tolerated. Other cities don't have the same problem. They have homeless in other cities too , but the situation hasn't gotten so out of hand.

[jamills21]

Originally Posted by jm1982

Right.
It's their constitutional right to litter up the sidewalks and oftentimes on private property too?
Where does it say in the constitution that people , homeless or not can use public property to store multiple shopping carts ....(which are stolen shopping carts that belong to private businesses ) full of stuff on the public streets.
I don't think the problem is with a homeless guy with a backpack , the issue is that people don't want the city looking like a 3rd world slum.
Just like not all people that live in houses or apartments are hoarders, not all homeless or hoarders too.

Just wondering , have you seen the types of mini tent cities that I'm talking about . Drive through Hollywood , East Hollywood and other areas and you will see them.

It just should not be tolerated. Other cities don't have the same problem. They have homeless in other cities too , but the situation hasn't gotten so out of hand.

Yeah, but that's not what the court order is about. If you read the last page, the court spells out what the city should do. Basically, they're saying that the areas around Skid Row (so not the entire city) police are enjoined from just hapazardly confiscating peoples possessions, without 24hrs notice. Some of those possessions are things like medication or whatever is neccessary for survival. It sounds like the courts solution would be to create 24 hr facilities where homeless can store their possessions.

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by jamills21

Yeah, but that's not what the court order is about. If you read the last page, the court spells out what the city should do.

Sorry, but do you think the police are realistically going to spend their time sorting through and cataloging each and every single piece of 'belongings'

You know what's going to happen. They are going to realize it takes too much time to do all of that and just turn the other way.

I mean can you imagine how much time it would take to go through shopping carts filled with god knows what, and then cataloging each and every piece , determining if they are hazardous or not...then loading up all that stuff...then storing it somewhere?..

The obvious intention of this ruling was to render it virtually impossible to do anything by putting in this long list of 'protocol'

LAPD officers or other city workers are just not going to go through the effort of doing anything.
Do you think they will want to risk losing their careers because they 'confiscated' an item from a homeless person that they weren't supposed to.
It's just too much red tape and will make the situation worse.

Creating 24 hour facilities? Where ? With property prices and construction costs what they are? To store all the homeless residents stuff? It could cost hundreds of millions of billions.

[jamills21]

Originally Posted by jm1982

Sorry, but do you think the police are realistically going to spend their time sorting through and cataloging each and every single piece of 'belongings'

You know what's going to happen. They are going to realize it takes too much time to do all of that and just turn the other way.

I mean can you imagine how much time it would take to go through shopping carts filled with god knows what, and then cataloging each and every piece , determining if they are hazardous or not...then loading up all that stuff...then storing it somewhere?..

The obvious intention of this ruling was to render it virtually impossible to do anything by putting in this long list of 'protocol'

LAPD officers or other city workers are just not going to go through the effort of doing anything.
Do you think they will want to risk losing their careers because they 'confiscated' an item from a homeless person that they weren't supposed to.
It's just too much red tape and will make the situation worse.

Creating 24 hour facilities? Where ? With property prices and construction costs what they are? To store all the homeless residents stuff? It could cost hundreds of millions of billions.

The Police aren't doing the sorting. The Homeless are. 2. Did you actually read the opinion. Take some time to actually read the opinion and not just the last page. That will make it more clear for you. Start on pg 4.

[tlspam2015]

Just moved back to LA after about 20 years. Unbelievable how bad the problem with the homeless (i.e., the bums and vagrants) has become. Love how they stench up the sidewalks by urinating and defecating where they please. Love how they camp out on the benches meant for people waiting for buses. Love their "constitutional rights."

[jamills21]

Originally Posted by tlspam2015

Just moved back to LA after about 20 years. Unbelievable how bad the problem with the homeless (i.e., the bums and vagrants) has become. Love how they stench up the sidewalks by urinating and defecating where they please. Love how they camp out on the benches meant for people waiting for buses. Love their "constitutional rights."

It's bad all along the west coast. Seriously, The feds are so far away they don't understand the problem. Visit the SF, Seattle, Denver, Portland, Honolulu, and San Diego forums some time. It's so sad. It's basically legal to be homeless. I have a family member who is homeless so I care deeply about these problems. I would love to start a petition for the federal government to address these issues but it will probably get buried in the news cycle. I want the constitution to protect everybody, and the homeless have constitutional rights as well. At the same time, homelessness is so far down the totem pole in terms of whats wrong with America that it'll take mass protest to resolve the issue.