I think la is better than sf. (Los Angeles, San Diego: real estate, 2015)

[ggcd951]

Originally Posted by Losangeleslover87

Thinking of moving to Los Angeles. I like Los Angeles better than San Francisco nowadays people seem less smug and friendlier in la.I don't feel at home in San Francisco anymore. I grew up in sf and the bay area but its become so gentrified and ive found a lot of the new transplants to be obnoxious and to me dont rep what sf is supposed to be about. I am an artist/ painter/ photographer type who works in an office. I feel like alot of the art scene in sf is moving away because we cant afford it. Dont get me wrong San francisco is a more beautiful city , but it is to expensive and not as interesting anymore. When i go to la i feel i meet more interesting people than sf, people at cafes, restaurants and at clubs want to be social. In san francisco people are very into their own groups and i have felt very isolated after my friends moved and i tried to go out and meet people. Ive had more succsess with getting laid in la and being social with women, in sf and the bay area you have to be an overachieving guy who works in tech, or finance and make a certain amount of money to be succsefful with women. I am a healthy outdoor person i love the la beaches, so many places to run, hike yes sf has great hikes, love marin and gg park, but la has more. I am a vegaterian and excercise a lot, while i understand la gets a lot of crap for having that superficial element, i do like taking care of myself, and for some reason in sf thats superficial and judgemental. I like ocean beach in sf and have many fond memories, and yes sf beaches are more beautiful than la beaches from a visual standpoint, but i love swimming in warmer water. Also its nice that you can see a national leauge mlb team and its affordable. Everytime i go down to la i love it and feel happy, weather is great and people are social and unfurtunatly when i come back to sf i feel isolated , alone, out of place and that im an alien to my once home.

i moved here a 5 years ago, i see lot of jerks on the road that cuts lane and other stuff. Are those natives or new transplants?

[ggcd951]

Originally Posted by Mr_Geek

SF is annoying, abnormally expensive, pretentious, and dirty. I wouldn't live there. I even hate visiting.

I'm sure some will say the same about LA though. Different strokes for different folks.

i live in SFO and like visiting LA because of warmer beaches. I hate SFO drivers but I hate how cops behave in LA. SFO cops are no better but the LA ticket cutter cops are seem to be special kind of jerks. They gave me several times ticket for no obvious reason, every time I visit. Traffic in LA is horrible too. I dont even try to get into LA when i visit just spend some time in North part like hollywood and santa monica and come back. So it is not a black and white issue. However night scenery and girls in LA seems better than SFO and overal less nerdy.

[Chimérique]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Oh really?

Honestly, Im old enough to draw a distinction and I dont really sense the same abiding dislike for LA that existed in the past.


You seem to.

But you acknowledge the "dislike" existed and for many decades. You are by far more likely to hear a San Franciscan talking about LA and how much they don't like it, while an LA crowd barely even knows SF is even in California.

My comment doesn't mean I care what NYC or SF think about LA, you are twisting my words. I'm NOT an LA homer and I wasn't biased when living there. I simply observed the overwhelming "hate" for LA.

Living in LA, it amazed me that they truly didn't even know Californias even existed above the San Fernando Valley, and LA people were so laid back they just let the loud mouth New Yorkers go on and on, blah, blah. The "hate" "DISLIKE" for LA, specifically from NYC and SF was so rampant and apparent; as a newbie to LA, I wondered why do they obsess over LA. It was a love/hate relationship with New Yorkers especially. Typical San Franciscans are so snobby they really believed they were better than LA in everything, and it was so funny to see the typical LA person perplexed with this attention.

[AnthonyJ34]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

San Francisco is amazing for as small a city as it is. It also looks and acts bigger than it really is. At the end of the day; however, SF is not competition for LA.

Why do SF and LA have to compete? Two different cities in two different parts of the state. Some people prefer SF, some prefer SF. Whatever floats a person's boat. I personally think SF has much better weather than does LA, and I say that as a lifelong So. Cal resident. But I know many people hate the fog and wind in SF, so it's a matter of preference. The SF Bay is very pretty, too.

[AnthonyJ34]

Originally Posted by Ceece

So move.

Ouch! Hit an exposed nerve somewhere in Cali. You can't profess love for an outside city without being told to pack your bags and move to that city. Sheesh!

[AnthonyJ34]

Originally Posted by adr3naline

Couldn't be more true. I have family in the Bay Area and they're always talking smack about LA. When I travel I often run into someone from the Bay Area talking smack about LA. I don't get it. No one actually IN LA seems to care about the rest of the planet, let alone SF, so you would think a lack of reciprocation would wear away at those anti-LA conversations. Pointless drama.

Isn't that generalizing? How do you know what 'most' people in either SF or LA say or think about the opposite city, or about any other city, outside of a small sampling of personal acquaintances and friends? LA and SF have huge populations of diverse people with differing backgrounds, beliefs, and attitudes.

[AnthonyJ34]

Originally Posted by YoungTraveler2011

lol @ calling the bumps around SF "mountains"

this is what mountains look like bro

Lol. Too bad you can rarely see those things through the valley smog. (And nice work, using a snapshot of snow-capped Mt. Baldy, which only looks like that a few months, maybe, out of the year; and good luck seeing it through the smog).

SF has crystal-clear air.

[AnthonyJ34]

Originally Posted by jm1982

Most people don't know much about other cities because they don't want to keep an open mind about it.

A lot of people will right off entire regions too and not even consider them because they 'heard' bad things about them.
For example
"I don't like the South" or "I don't like the MidWest" even if they haven't been there.

Or people will often base an opinion of a city's inhabitants off an extremely small sampling of said city's population.

Eg:

Someone visits a city, stays a week or so, maybe personally talks to or encounters two dozen people or so, and finds that half those people or most of them 'seem' snotty, rude, or some other type of negative adjective. Then that one visitor will get on City Data and label the entire city as being full of snotty, rude, or 'insert negative adjective' people.

'Most people there seem...'

'That city is full of - - - people'

'People in that city always say - - - about our city'


Massive generalizations and unfounded assumptions often based on an extremely small sample size, or on second- and third-hand info that is likely of questionable origin and accuracy.

[Howest2008]

Originally Posted by AnthonyJ34

Lol. Too bad you can rarely see those things through the valley smog. (And nice work, using a snapshot of snow-capped Mt. Baldy, which only looks like that a few months, maybe, out of the year; and good luck seeing it through the smog).

SF has crystal-clear air.

First off the bat I have to tell you that I'm not mad at you .

But that statement about San Francisco having Crystal Clear (air) man that's as phony as Gourmet bologna....LOL...

You need to Google State of the Air | American Lung Association.... The only cities in this area with Crystal Clear air are Tucson , San Diego California , Portland Oregon and Seattle Washington.

PS PostScript and you know that Los Angeles mountains are over 10,000 feet right.???.

And that snow is on Los Angeles Mountains for more than a couple months a year. I lived in Long Beach for a year and 2 months .

And the Bay Area for 35 years so I know what I'm talking about...

[AnthonyJ34]

Originally Posted by Howest2008

First off the bat I have to tell you that I'm not mad at you .

But that statement about San Francisco having Crystal Clear (air) man that's as phony as Gourmet bologna....LOL...

You need to Google State of the Air | American Lung Association.... The only cities in this area with Crystal Clear air are Tucson , San Diego California , Portland Oregon and Seattle Washington.

PS PostScript and you know that Los Angeles mountains are over 10,000 feet right.???.

And that snow is on Los Angeles Mountains for more than a couple months a year. I lived in Long Beach for a year and 2 months .

And the Bay Area for 35 years so I know what I'm talking about...

SF is crystal clear, relative to LA. Because of the inversion layer that often sits above So. Cal, pollutants often get trapped under the lid of the inversion rather than simply dissipating into the atmosphere. The LA Basin routinely has brown, murky, stagnant air. SF, in comparison, rarely has air that you can see. Maybe the ozone levels are similar (not sure), but ozone is only aspect of dirty air. Bottom line is the air in and around LA is often brown and murky; in SF, the air is almost always clear, thanks in part to the strong winds that routinely blow in off the Bay. The winds blowing in off the coast of LA are much less consistent and not as strong.