The Los Angeles Homeless Containment Thread (San Francisco, Culver City: cabins, licensed, leasing)

[Tulemutt]

AUG. 29, 2023 3:58 PM PT

The Los Angeles City Council on Tuesday backed an effort to regulate the leasing of RVs and crack down on so-called vanlords who rent them to homeless people.

The council voted 12 to 0 in favor of directing the city attorney to draft an ordinance that would amend city code to include RVs among the types of vehicles that people are prohibited from leasing and renting while parked on public streets and other public spaces.

The ordinance would also add a requirement to city code that RV landlords comply with “relevant state and federal laws as it relates to the sale and lease of RVs.” State law requires RVs leased or rented in California to meet design and safety standards of the American National Standards Institute and the National Fire Protection Assn. And it would create an escalating system of fines for owners who violate the rules. https://www.latimes.com/california/s...o-the-homeless

[skyway31]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

and they go buy RV's for homeless people just to stir up trouble?

Yes.

Stirring up trouble is meant to help sustain and further the conditions for the revolution they seek. "Disrupt" is one of the most common words they used to describe what they want to do. The idea is to make the problem as awful and as unavoidable as possible. It's direct action against "NIMBYs".

These are the radicals that protest-through physically blocking- encampment clean-ups. These are the radicals that stalk and/or assault members of city council. They align or are a part of "People's City Council", which is explicitly abolitionist and anti-capitalist. They are the types that left-leaning corporate media aims to black out as it may make Democrats look bad. That's why people who aren't radical, but just consume left-leaning media like NPR, NYT, LAT etc, aren't aware of these groups. Thus, it's much easier to dismiss the above claims as "tin foil hat, stupid conspiracy theories". Mind you, these same people are totally down to talk about the radical right and how it conspired to destroy the country on January 6.

One part of dealing with the incessant encampment and RV problem is telling the radicals "No". Much of this could be solved by simply enforcing existing laws and ordinances. But, radical ideology and activists have been able to fight off enforcement of laws.

[skyway31]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

AUG. 29, 2023 3:58 PM PT

The Los Angeles City Council on Tuesday backed an effort to regulate the leasing of RVs and crack down on so-called vanlords who rent them to homeless people.

The council voted 12 to 0 in favor of directing the city attorney to draft an ordinance that would amend city code to include RVs among the types of vehicles that people are prohibited from leasing and renting while parked on public streets and other public spaces.

The ordinance would also add a requirement to city code that RV landlords comply with “relevant state and federal laws as it relates to the sale and lease of RVs.” State law requires RVs leased or rented in California to meet design and safety standards of the American National Standards Institute and the National Fire Protection Assn. And it would create an escalating system of fines for owners who violate the rules. https://www.latimes.com/california/s...o-the-homeless

This is a good step in the right direction. But, they MUST tow away the vehicles that violate the ordinance. And, they must do a better job of anticipating the next moves from radicals. They WILL come back with some other trick to wreak havoc.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by skyway31

Yes.

Stirring up trouble is meant to help sustain and further the conditions for the revolution they seek. "Disrupt" is one of the most common words they used to describe what they want to do. The idea is to make the problem as awful and as unavoidable as possible. It's direct action against "NIMBYs".

These are the radicals that protest-through physically blocking- encampment clean-ups. These are the radicals that stalk and/or assault members of city council. They align or are a part of "People's City Council", which is explicitly abolitionist and anti-capitalist. They are the types that left-leaning corporate media aims to black out as it may make Democrats look bad. That's why people who aren't radical, but just consume left-leaning media like NPR, NYT, LAT etc, aren't aware of these groups. Thus, it's much easier to dismiss the above claims as "tin foil hat, stupid conspiracy theories". Mind you, these same people are totally down to talk about the radical right and how it conspired to destroy the country on January 6.

One part of dealing with the incessant encampment and RV problem is telling the radicals "No". Much of this could be solved by simply enforcing existing laws and ordinances. But, radical ideology and activists have been able to fight off enforcement of laws.

when you find a 'real' example of that happening let me know

[skyway31]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

when you find a 'real' example of that happening let me know

A real example of what?

[V8 Vega]

A homeless man stabed a 23 year old to death at the Persing Squars Metro station.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by V8 Vega

A homeless man stabed a 23 year old to death at the Persing Squars Metro station.

And six not-homeless men killed three people in Pasadena and Rancho Palos Verdes in recent weeks.

LOS ANGELES - Six people have been arrested in connection with the robbery and murder of a man on Angeles Crest Highway in Pasadena over the weekend, and authorities believe the same suspects may be responsible for a double homicide in Rancho Palos Verdes earlier this week

Not-homeless people commit murders everyday …

[colobound65]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

And six not-homeless men killed three people in Pasadena and Rancho Palos Verdes in recent weeks.

LOS ANGELES - Six people have been arrested in connection with the robbery and murder of a man on Angeles Crest Highway in Pasadena over the weekend, and authorities believe the same suspects may be responsible for a double homicide in Rancho Palos Verdes earlier this week

Not-homeless people commit murders everyday …

Your tit for tat doesn’t put homeless in a better light. It just makes California look worse and more uninhabitable.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by colobound65

Your tit for tat doesn’t put homeless in a better light. It just makes California look worse and more uninhabitable.

Not trying to put homeless “in a better light.” Simply clarifying how stupid it is to beat the popular mindless drum beat mythologizing that the homeless are dangerous demons across the board. Facts are that non-homeless assault homeless - including murdering them - more than homeless assault the general public. And yeah, you can look that up.

People are dangerous. ALL kinds of people. In fact, the majority of homicides are committed by persons known to the victims — not by random strangers. So watch out for your brother-in-law.

As for California looking “worse and more uninhabitable”, more crime mythology. Give it a rest. Look stuff up before you post. California ranks roughly middle of the pack out of all states. If violent crime is your metric for where life is good, stay clear of Washington D.C., Alaska, New Mexico, Tennessee, Arkansas, Arizona, Louisiana, Missouri, South Dakota, South Carolina, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, Oklahoma, Alabama and Texas - before worrying about California.

[colobound65]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Not trying to put homeless “in a better light.” Simply clarifying how stupid it is to beat the popular mindless drum beat mythologizing that the homeless are dangerous demons across the board. Facts are that non-homeless assault homeless - including murdering them - more than homeless assault the general public. And yeah, you can look that up.

People are dangerous. ALL kinds of people. In fact, the majority of homicides are committed by persons known to the victims — not by random strangers. So watch out for your brother-in-law.

As for California looking “worse and more uninhabitable”, more crime mythology. Give it a rest. Look stuff up before you post. California ranks roughly middle of the pack out of all states. If violent crime is your metric for where life is good, stay clear of Washington D.C., Alaska, New Mexico, Tennessee, Arkansas, Arizona, Louisiana, Missouri, South Dakota, South Carolina, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, Oklahoma, Alabama and Texas - before worrying about California.

Crime is one part of a wide spectrum of reasons many parts of California is uninhabitable. I’d feel safer living in Montana then LA