Individual Votes By Cities/Towns Whether To Allow Marijuana businesses (bill, population)

[timberline742]

Growers know what they're doing. It's high grade. They're growing for personal use (legally) and not distributing or dealing (which is illegal). They do so to maximize yields in the pounds from the max number of plants. They are harvesting, drying and storing properly. And then bragging about it to the wrong people and setting themselves up for a targeted break in and the right time in the process.

That is not reality. That is what is called "perfect conditions" in fantasy land.

[Shrewsburried]

Originally Posted by redplum33

The position that you (and timberline) are taking assumes perfect conditions. Unfortunately, that is not reality. We're not living in a perfect world. Things go wrong.

So you, the person who assumes the following: legal growers maximizing plant output to 10lbs (not real unless you're a pro grow operation at full efficiency), a street price of $300 per oz (not real unless we're talking 'top grade' prior to legalization), and growers not moving/consuming inventory and advertising ... are suggesting to me that it's not a perfect world and thing go wrong.

Yeah, I'm aware. The scenario you're painting represents an extremely small minority of growers who are likely to be running an illegal operation based purely on volume. The majority of home growers will lose plants, yield small volumes, communicate their growing to a small inner circle, and have minimal processed inventory at any given moment. The majority of criminals will be aware of this reality and choose to instead target the magical unicorn growers you've suggested exist, because otherwise there's a very poor risk-to-profit ratio. I.e., mass theft won't happen.

[redplum33]

Originally Posted by Shrewsburried

So you, the person who assumes the following: legal growers maximizing plant output to 10lbs (not real unless you're a pro grow operation at full efficiency), a street price of $300 per oz (not real unless we're talking 'top grade' prior to legalization), and growers not moving/consuming inventory and advertising ... are suggesting to me that it's not a perfect world and thing go wrong.

Yeah, I'm aware. The scenario you're painting represents an extremely small minority of growers who are likely to be running an illegal operation based purely on volume. The majority of home growers will lose plants, yield small volumes, communicate their growing to a small inner circle, and have minimal processed inventory at any given moment. The majority of criminals will be aware of this reality and choose to instead target the magical unicorn growers you've suggested exist, because otherwise there's a very poor risk-to-profit ratio. I.e., mass theft won't happen.

The funny thing is: I haven't made any of those assumptions. I also haven't stated that any of that stuff would be necessary for there to be a break-in. So, it's not the scenario I'm painting; it's the scenario you've fabricated and falsely attributed to me.

Additionally, I've never said anything about mass theft. I said an increase in break-ins. Not even close to being the same.

[wror]

Over 70% of Colorado communities have banned local marijuana
Over 33% of Massachusetts communities have banned local marijuana ..and continuing.
Over 4 dozen Maine communities have banned local marijuana ..and continuing.
One US State already, Ohio, Marijuana failed to be legalized, the people said no to legalizing Marijuana
Colorado. The governor of Colorado said last week in a CNN interview, re illegalizing marijuana in Colorado" is not out of the question".

The backlash Against legalizing Marijuana in this country is just beginning to grow.

Apr 28, 2018
"Has Support for Legal Marijuana Plateaued?
A CBS NEWS recently released survey delivers surprising results
"in April 2017, CBS News found that 61% supported legalizing pot. But in the April 2018 poll, 59%
https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/...plateaued.aspx

[redplum33]

The bottom line is: As of Jan 2018, when this industry was forced to be cash only, the states are not receiving their fair share of taxes.

Unless that changes, I don't think you'll see any recreational stores in Massachusetts.

[dannon35]

Originally Posted by wror

Over 70% of Colorado communities have banned local marijuana
Over 33% of Massachusetts communities have banned local marijuana ..and continuing.
Over 4 dozen Maine communities have banned local marijuana ..and continuing.
One US State already, Ohio, Marijuana failed to be legalized, the people said no to legalizing Marijuana
Colorado. The governor of Colorado said last week in a CNN interview, re illegalizing marijuana in Colorado" is not out of the question".

The backlash Against legalizing Marijuana in this country is just beginning to grow.

Apr 28, 2018
"Has Support for Legal Marijuana Plateaued?
A CBS NEWS recently released survey delivers surprising results
"in April 2017, CBS News found that 61% supported legalizing pot. But in the April 2018 poll, 59%
https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/...plateaued.aspx

61% vs. 59%???? Seriously???? That is a pretty solid majority, first of all. Second, have you ever heard the words "margin of error"?


Once again, you have made the point of the opposing view!!!!

[porterhouse]

Originally Posted by tysmith95

If anything legal pot shops, and large scale grow facilities will reduce the prevalence of home growing.

Yes. Growing takes a lot of effort and is not easy. Much more difficult that growing a few tomato plants IMO.

[wror]

Originally Posted by dannon35

61% vs. 59%???? Seriously???? That is a pretty solid majority, first of all. Second, have you ever heard the words "margin of error"?


Once again, you have made the point of the opposing view!!!!

A "margin of error" towards a decline not an increase of in support of legalization of marijuana.
Also, one may be under the impression the support legalization of marijuana would have gone from 61% in April of 2017, to 70%? 80% in April of 2018. Instead, pro legalization marijuana advocates are criticizing the survey results with a "margin of error" defense. What Up.


At least Three more Mass communities will be voting on a local ban on marijuana businesses in May.
It is a foregone conclusion how it will go. Stay tuned.

The 50 year pendulum swinging towards 'legalizing marijuana in the USA', is Reversing direction.

[BostonMike7]

Regardless of if the community bans it, it's not going to make a significant impact.


Still legal to possess
Legal to grow
legal to travel to one of the towns that does allow it to be sold and buy it.
Towns that ban it recreationally may still allow it to be sold medicinally


People in this state drive 2 hours for their Roulette fix at Foxwoods, what's a 20 min drive to a town next door?


I'm on on-the-fencer as I have no desire to smoke it, nor do I really care if it's legal or not. But I have yet to see any sort of solid argument sway me against legalization.

[timberline742]

Originally Posted by wror

The 50 year pendulum swinging towards 'legalizing marijuana in the USA', is Reversing direction.

Actually, no. It's becoming legal in more and more places. No place that has made it legal has reversed that (that I know of).


What the heck are you looking at?!